| 3 Sep 2025 |
 dish [Fox/It/She] | ugh why is our bootstrap not following the live-bootstrap build chain | 19:54:43 |
 Winter | 🤔 | 19:55:08 |
| Winter | 
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| dish [Fox/It/She] | talking about minimal-bootstrap which is fully from source and should be(but clearly isn't) following the build chain that live-bootstrap establishes | 19:56:12 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | sorry if that was confusing | 19:56:26 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | * sorry if that was confusing and/or not what you were talking about | 19:56:32 |
| Winter | it's not | 19:56:48 |
| Winter | i am talking about our normal bootstrapping process | 19:57:05 |
| Winter | perhaps minimal, if it actually works (last i heard it doesn't?), would be nicer for my crimes | 19:57:27 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | it doesn't | 19:57:42 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | im trying to fix and update it | 19:57:47 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | * it doesn't afaik | 19:57:51 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | so we can start the transition to using minimal-bootstrap as our regular bootstrap | 19:58:06 |
 emily | our thing isn't live-bootstrap | 20:14:50 |
| emily | live-bootstrap is a newer thing that goes via a billion OSes etc. | 20:14:58 |
| emily | our thing is the older Linux-only thing, I think based on the Guix chain | 20:15:09 |
| Winter | yep ^^ | 20:16:31 |
| Winter | why is glibc so intertwined with binutils ughhh | 20:17:15 |
| Winter | this would be so much easier if i just didn't have to bootstrap just to change the glibc version even if i'm fine depending on a different (later) glibx | 20:17:46 |
| Winter | * this would be so much easier if i just didn't have to bootstrap just to change the glibc version even if i'm fine depending on a different (later) glibc | 20:17:50 |
| Winter | i wonder how other distributions that ship {new gcc, old glibc} do it | 20:19:35 |
 Alyssa Ross | Why are you doing thi | 20:19:43 |
| Alyssa Ross | * | 20:19:47 |
| Winter | a stupid hack to build glibc-based binaries/libs that are compatible down to e.g. ubuntu 18.04 | 20:20:33 |
| Alyssa Ross | Do you patchelf them at the end then? | 20:20:58 |
| Winter | yep | 20:21:46 |
| Winter | hm, crosstool-ng seems to get by without the chicken-and-egg of binutils<->libc... | 20:29:19 |
| Winter | * hm, crosstool-ng seems to get by without the chicken-and-egg of binutils<->glibc... | 20:29:27 |
| Winter | i wonder why we specifically cannot do that | 20:29:39 |
| Winter | (the check that binutils.libc == cc.libc or w/e) | 20:30:37 |
