| 24 May 2025 |
 Randy Eckenrode | Only 1%? | 17:59:21 |
 Tristan Ross | Would be hard to say if that's truly the performance impact | 18:00:28 |
| Tristan Ross | Best thing is to compare the variants stdenv with the cross stdenv that matches along and see how the evaluation compares. | 18:00:58 |
| 25 May 2025 |
| Tristan Ross | So I have a comparison between pkgsMusl.stdenv and crossStdenv.configs.aarch64-unknown-linux-musl | 01:37:56 |
| Tristan Ross | crossStdenv.configs.aarch64-unknown-linux-musl
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| 01:38:49 |
 emily | looks still expensive enough that we'd want to avoid it wherever possible? | 02:29:09 |
| emily | it's not clear to me if Firefox could just use an unwrapped compiler though | 02:29:22 |
| Tristan Ross | crossStdenv.predicated.useLLVM.configs.aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu
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| 02:33:13 |
| Tristan Ross | Yeah, ideally no cross when possible. | 02:33:26 |
| Tristan Ross | From what I was able to gleam when trying to test the wasm cross stdenv, it looks like it's only necessary for sandboxing things in a way? We could provide an option but idk if it's worth it. | 02:34:48 |
| Tristan Ross | crossStdenv.predicated.useLLVM.configs.wasm32-unknown-wasi
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| 02:36:27 |
| emily | RLBox is important, I mean what's the reason it can't use an unwrappd multi-target Clang? | 02:50:40 |
| emily | it uses libcxx for WASM, I guess? but does it use anything else from pkgsCross? | 02:50:52 |
| Tristan Ross | Yeah, idk | 02:51:04 |
| Tristan Ross | I think it needs wasilibc | 02:52:01 |
| Tristan Ross | Ok yeah, it needs a wasm toolchain. It looks like upstream uses the wasi-sdk. | 02:54:37 |
| Randy Eckenrode | How does crossStdenv handle cross-compiled dependencies? DXVK needs SPIRV and Vulkan headers and windows.pthreads. | 13:39:07 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Also, how does it handle NIX_ vars? Does this even work with Darwin since Darwin needs an SDK? | 13:44:42 |
| Tristan Ross | In reply to @reckenrode:matrix.org
Also, how does it handle NIX_ vars? Does this even work with Darwin since Darwin needs an SDK? Suffix salt should work with the env vars. Idk about Darwin but it could be made to work. | 14:28:05 |
| Tristan Ross | In reply to @reckenrode:matrix.org
How does crossStdenv handle cross-compiled dependencies? DXVK needs SPIRV and Vulkan headers and windows.pthreads. You'll have to override the stdenv for the dependencies. | 14:28:23 |
