| 13 Feb 2026 |
 emily | because macOS upstream default is fast so we certainly wouldn't go below that OOTB | 23:58:31 |
| emily | would be interesting to see if 25.05 → 25.11 regresses macOS Nix perf anyway | 23:59:07 |
| emily | (but controlling for version might be hard?) | 23:59:12 |
 Sergei Zimmerman (xokdvium) | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
because macOS upstream default is fast so we certainly wouldn't go below that OOTB As in the llvm toolchain enables that by default? | 23:59:13 |
| 14 Feb 2026 |
| emily | yes:
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/include/c++/v1/__config_site
43:#define _LIBCPP_HARDENING_MODE_DEFAULT 2
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| emily | (2 is fast) | 00:00:29 |
| Sergei Zimmerman (xokdvium) | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
would be interesting to see if 25.05 → 25.11 regresses macOS Nix perf anyway Hm, I guess the only way to tell is to benchmarking :) I could see about how that would affect nix itself. Undefing the flag should be easy enough | 00:05:09 |
 ris_ | i'm going to prepare a PR to switch back to fast | 11:04:39 |
| ris_ | this does make me wonder how libcxxhardening* should interact with _LIBCPP_HARDENING_MODE_DEFAULT though | 11:30:03 |
| ris_ | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/490358 | 12:07:04 |
| 4 Aug 2022 |
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| 6 Aug 2022 |
| Winter (she/her) | Does anyone know where the fact that the Darwin stdenv builds CMake twice comes from? As far as I can tell, it's from stage 0, and then just gets used in the other stages from there. Am I missing something here, is it something with the overrides? It looks like it might be, but then the fact that those are only allowed in the final stage (per booter.nix) (when that doesn't seem true, since then they wouldn't be defined...?) comes up.
(Isn't this the same pattern (defining in one stage and referencing in the others) that makes Glibc only build a limited number of times in the Linux stdenv?) | 08:00:17 |
 @trofi:matrix.org | You think cmake should be rebuild less? Or more?
glibc's is probably a bit different as it's a part of stdenv.cc.libc and mainly used by that I would guess. Also, if depends if the package is used or not by other packages in the derivation would affect rebuild count as well.
| 14:59:09 |
| @trofi:matrix.org | Looking at stdenv's dep tree I see 2 cmake-boot hashes and one cmake hash: https://dpaste.com/8GGM6P9BF.txt | 15:03:11 |
| Winter (she/her) | In reply to @trofi:matrix.org
You think cmake should be rebuild less? Or more?
glibc's is probably a bit different as it's a part of stdenv.cc.libc and mainly used by that I would guess. Also, if depends if the package is used or not by other packages in the derivation would affect rebuild count as well.
I have no particular opinion, I'm just curious how that happens. | 21:22:09 |
| Winter (she/her) | Oh, for clarification, I was talking about cmake-boot. | 21:22:19 |
| Winter (she/her) | (which is cmake in the stdenv stages) | 21:22:29 |
| Winter (she/her) | see the line i linked | 21:22:36 |
| @trofi:matrix.org | AFAIU cmake = cmakeMinimal is only for stage1-4 (first build: bootstrapTools -> cmake-boot in pastebin). Last stage uses cmake as is. Also note that cmakeMinimal is used by zstd (used by final stage, does second build: stage4 -> cmake-boot -> zstd in pastebin). | 21:44:31 |
| @trofi:matrix.org | I used the following command to grep through the full depgraph: $ nix-store --query --graph $(nix-instantiate -A stdenv --argstr system x86_64-darwin) | 21:45:39 |
| 10 Aug 2022 |
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| 17 Aug 2022 |
| @trofi:matrix.org | Quiz question: for a final glibc used in nixpkgs all over the place which gcc you think is used to build it on linux? a) Possible answers: gcc from bootstrap tools b) gcc from nixpkgs. | 17:36:21 |
| @trofi:matrix.org | You knew :) | 17:39:09 |
 Artturin | obviously it is the more ridiculous answer 🙃 | 17:40:03 |
| @trofi:matrix.org | Yeah :) Spoiler: https://dpaste.com/DMD34BUN9.txt | 17:40:23 |
| @trofi:matrix.org | * Quiz question: for a final glibc used in nixpkgs all over the place which gcc you think is used to build it on linux? Possible answers: a) gcc from bootstrap tools b) gcc from nixpkgs. | 17:42:06 |
 vcunat | AFAIK it isn't easy to do better. gcc links against glibc. So either somehow try replacing it later (rather hacky, probably) or build gcc twice during bootstrapping (will remain persistently annoying). Or as you suggest, update the bootstrapping tools more often. | 17:49:27 |
| vcunat | I might've missed some options. Or perhaps even confuse something. | 17:49:48 |
| vcunat | * I might've missed some options. Or perhaps even confused something. | 17:49:52 |
