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12 Nov 2024
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyso to make the patch unconditional the logic probably has to move deeper into the guts22:42:01
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyalso, it's kind of bad on Linux too, though hard to see how to easily remove it without regressing the issue with unwrapped compilers22:42:16
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily * I think you want a Darwin hostPlatform (because of the patch conditional) and compare say {Linux, Darwin} × {x86-64, AArch64} for the target 22:42:30
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily * the -nostdlibinc patch will be a pain. it's a hack that we have to skip on Darwin because it doesn't help us and it breaks stuff. but it's a hack that works by patching the command-line parsing 22:42:43
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode
In reply to @p14:matrix.org
I am not exactly clear on what is being diffed in these gists

I’m comparing pkgsCross.gnu64.buildPackages.clang.cc to pkgsCross.x86_64-darwin.buildPackages.clang.cc

22:44:27
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode

If I set enableGoldPlugin to true, there is no diff between them. They’re the same output.

22:45:00
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily (also in case it was missed, this is on a branch where Randy makes the Darwin patch check unconditional, so can't expect to reproduce those results with a Darwin hostPlatform currently) 22:45:34
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily * (also in case it was missed, this is on a branch where Randy makes the Darwin patch check unconditional and removes the stdenv rpath stuff, so can't expect to reproduce those results with a Darwin hostPlatform currently) 22:45:50
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrodehttps://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/45d55abd3964711133c2c3bdfdae82e178e9ce55/pkgs/stdenv/darwin/default.nix#L1262-L127822:47:28
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy EckenrodeIf clang is correctly setting itself up as a multi-target compiler, should that be overlaid unconditionally?22:47:45
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy EckenrodeOr at least the LLVM portion. I don’t know about the Darwin binutils stuff.22:48:01
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode

That allows clang.cc to equal the cross one in buildPackages even on Darwin.

22:48:31
13 Nov 2024
@p14:matrix.orgp14
In reply to @reckenrode:matrix.org
If clang is correctly setting itself up as a multi-target compiler, should that be overlaid unconditionally?
Not clear to me. The unwrapped clang can be; but llvmPackages contains wrapped clangs which embed information about the targetPlatform, right?
17:42:07
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode
In reply to @p14:matrix.org
Not clear to me. The unwrapped clang can be; but llvmPackages contains wrapped clangs which embed information about the targetPlatform, right?
Assuming the targetPlatform stuff gets dropped, so the same Clang can be used for all cross builds.
18:11:41
@p14:matrix.orgp14
In reply to @reckenrode:matrix.org
Assuming the targetPlatform stuff gets dropped, so the same Clang can be used for all cross builds.
Same llvmPackages.clang.cc but not same llvmPackages.clang.
18:12:48
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrodehttps://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/45d55abd3964711133c2c3bdfdae82e178e9ce55/pkgs/stdenv/darwin/default.nix#L306_L32618:13:11
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode * 18:13:42
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy Eckenrode @p14:matrix.org: Just double-checked what’s overlaid. See above. Only those packages are overlaid. No wrappers are included in those packages. 18:14:35
@p14:matrix.orgp14Ah cool. That was opaque to me, thanks for explaining!18:15:21
@p14:matrix.orgp14I wish we had a simpler llvmPackages extend expression.18:15:37
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy EckenrodeThe Darwin stdenv uses functions to group overrides for the stdenv bootstrap (and provide consistency between stages). That stuff is new with the rework. The wrapper won’t be overlaid because it’s not in those functions.18:16:27
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy EckenrodeDarwin bintools can target either Darwin platform, so it probably ought to be overlaid as well (but not the wrapper, of course).18:17:02
@reckenrode:matrix.orgRandy EckenrodeOf course, once the LLVM/Clang fixes are merged.18:17:20
@rosscomputerguy:matrix.orgTristan RossI'll try taking a look at those PR's tonight and tomorrow 19:18:46
@p14:matrix.orgp14I'd appreciate any input on ideas for where I might put an assert / how to implement an assert that clang.cc == pkgsStatic.stdenv.cc.cc == pkgsLLVM.stdenv.cc.cc for https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/355532. I figure I can't just put one in the expression for every eval since we don't want to be evaluating stuff unnecessarily, so presumably it should go into a release test of some sort; but is there anything I can use for precommit?19:56:39
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI think it could go into stdenv. that doesn't sound like an expensive check to eval all the time20:03:44
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily though it should probably be .outPath 20:03:50
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilysince comparing derivations is mildly evil I think20:03:56
@p14:matrix.orgp14+1 on outPath; but I'm thinking that evaling some cross derivation surely involves a substantial amount of additional eval you otherwise don't need.20:13:20
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyoh, sorry, I only skimmed the message and missed the cross package sets20:13:52

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