| 27 Jul 2025 |
 John Ericson | mmmm very good | 16:36:23 |
 emily | it does mean that we can no longer solve problems in wrappers at all and have to pay the costs of contributing to drivers for anything we end up needing | 16:42:47 |
| emily | which is a bit painful | 16:42:49 |
| emily | e.g. I am adding -fmacro-prefix-map to cc-wrapper right now | 16:43:01 |
| emily | figuring out how LLVM would want a "map away all hashes in the Nix store for __FILE__" feature to look would be substantially higher-cost/longer-time | 16:43:19 |
| John Ericson | emily: well we don' | 16:51:52 |
| John Ericson | * emily: well we don't have to do 100% one or the oher | 16:51:59 |
| John Ericson | * emily: well we don't have to do 100% one or the other | 16:52:01 |
| emily | most of the benefits only happen when you 100% eliminate wrappers | 16:53:00 |
| emily | e.g. libclang used by Rust bindgen | 16:53:05 |
| emily | is inherently working with an "unwrapped compiler" and this causes issues | 16:53:13 |
| emily | and it is hard to be fully multi-target with wrapping | 16:53:33 |
| John Ericson | well I would rather make the investment in hopes we can someday get 100% | 16:54:00 |
| John Ericson | like, if we shoot to 100% in the first go, we may well die trying | 16:54:35 |
| John Ericson | but if we shoot for "as far as we can get before it gets too hard", and know we won't get to 100%, we can get to somewhere else without tears and budget overruns | 16:55:35 |
| John Ericson | and then we can later circle back, maybe in a later funding round when we have more budget on the basis of earlier successes :) | 16:56:24 |
| 28 Jul 2025 |
 Randy Eckenrode | And Swift’s built-in Clang driver. | 00:36:22 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I’m trying really hard not to use a wrapper with Swift. | 00:36:41 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * And Swift’s built-in Clang driver/importer. | 00:37:20 |
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 aleksana 🏳️⚧️ (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC) | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/430575/files#diff-1ea2c8559b007cf7ff7861872d6572a11bdb8f6a5f41754cd8e424f7dac5bf5aR59 | 12:20:49 |
| aleksana 🏳️⚧️ (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC) | aarch64-linux gcc doesn't support c++20? | 12:21:04 |
| emily | nope, that's nonsense | 12:25:32 |
| emily | but the comment was already there | 12:25:46 |
