| 24 Apr 2023 |
 @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | I need to just make a complete matrix of these sizes to analyze it.... | 22:13:24 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Redacted or Malformed Event | 22:55:27 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | I'll convert that to a gist... | 22:56:34 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Ok here are the results, along with a necessary nixpkgs patch file: https://gist.github.com/ElvishJerricco/ca36d26fd30b78b211aea10604b9885e | 22:57:59 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | (note that tpm2, fido2, and luks flags are all redundant unless accompanied by cryptsetup flag) | 23:09:05 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Actually, I edited it with some fancy code to remove the redundant ones and include the non-systemd ones | 23:34:57 |
| 25 Apr 2023 |
 @mlyx:matrix.org | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/tasks/lvm.nix
Can we disable lvm by default? For those who don't use lvm, it adds lots of unnecessary stuff in initrd. | 00:22:43 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | mlyx: We have actually have a PR for that: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/183314 | 00:25:19 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | (it says swraid but it also does lvm, and we probably want to do bcache in there too) | 00:25:35 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | actualy, hm, it looks like that PR doesn't actually disable LVM depending on stateVersion like it does for swraid... so there's a reason it's not merged :P | 00:26:54 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
Ok here are the results, along with a necessary nixpkgs patch file: https://gist.github.com/ElvishJerricco/ca36d26fd30b78b211aea10604b9885e So, to me it kinda looks like once you bring in either cryptsetup or networkd, you might as well bring in full, as long as you don't pull in tpm2 by default | 00:34:10 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
Ok here are the results, along with a necessary nixpkgs patch file: https://gist.github.com/ElvishJerricco/ca36d26fd30b78b211aea10604b9885e * So, to me it kinda looks like once you bring in either cryptsetuluks or networkd, you might as well bring in full, as long as you don't pull in tpm2 by default | 00:35:57 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | * So, to me it kinda looks like once you bring in either luks or networkd, you might as well bring in full, as long as you don't pull in tpm2 by default | 00:36:01 |
 @janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de | In reply to @mlyx:matrix.org
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/tasks/lvm.nix
Can we disable lvm by default? For those who don't use lvm, it adds lots of unnecessary stuff in initrd. I didn't to keep some backwards compat | 08:16:24 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Yea we're hoping to maintain compat via stateVersion. | 08:17:04 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | If your stateVersion is old, then default to on like the old days | 08:17:19 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | otherwise, expect it to be explicitly set, and do so in nixos-generate-config | 08:17:38 |
| @janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de | Oh no my first state version bump in years :D | 08:17:40 |
| 26 Apr 2023 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | So I just realized that we're always pulling in all of systemd's udev rules in initrd. Is that right? | 06:48:42 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | * So I just realized that we're always pulling in all of systemd's udev rules in initrd. Is that a good idea? | 06:53:50 |
| @janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
So I just realized that we're always pulling in all of systemd's udev rules in initrd. Is that a good idea? That may be why I have to reconnect my webcam after booting with it plugged in 👀 | 07:55:23 |
 @aktaboot:tchncs.de | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
So I just realized that we're always pulling in all of systemd's udev rules in initrd. Is that a good idea? do they take too much space for it to be a concern ? | 11:43:40 |
|  dadada changed their profile picture. | 12:49:17 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | aktaboot: I don't think so, but they might just do a bunch of Things(TM) that don't need to be done in stage 1 | 14:18:09 |
 flokli | It's not an easy yes/no question. Some stuff might need funky udev rules to get initialized. But then breaking if you then transition to another systemd/udev is a bug you'd also hit when switching to a new generation | 18:12:49 |
| flokli | It makes sense to, let's say, initialize hardware as much as possible. It usually takes a while for it to power up, and the earlier it happens the better | 18:13:30 |
| flokli | It gets tricky when you also need to load some firmware, which isn't present at that time. | 18:13:49 |
| flokli | It should just try again loading that firmware later once available? | 18:14:17 |
| flokli | Janne Heß: try checking your logs to see what kind of init your webcam does, im curious | 18:14:47 |
| @janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de | In reply to @flokli:matrix.org
Janne Heß: try checking your logs to see what kind of init your webcam does, im curious nothing special in the journal. just regular usb connection stuff | 21:34:28 |
