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systemd in NixOs's stage 1, replacing the current bash tooling https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/projects/5123 Servers

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20 Feb 2023
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.org Janne Heß: Can you explain that dream? 09:04:34
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgDo you just mean no bash or python or any other shebang-isms required?09:04:47
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de
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Janne Heß: Can you explain that dream?
Having no interpreter at all (also no recovery shell obviously) to prevent any way of arbitrary code execution
09:05:15
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgahhh09:05:27
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgGetting rid of bash seems... extremely unlikely09:05:38
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgI guess the activation unit is the only one that uses bash though09:06:10
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgso maybe09:06:12
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deThat was going to be my next question :D09:06:20
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.depkgs.writeCBin goes brrrrr09:06:25
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgit would impose a pretty substantial restriction though09:06:34
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgbut a substantial restriction on a niche thing is probly ok?09:06:48
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de🤔09:06:56
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgthe big problem is, as evident by the linked PR, wrapper script09:07:05
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.org * the big problem is, as evident by the linked PR, wrapper scripts09:07:06
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deWill investigate. Asking because we have a certrain customer who is interested in this09:07:20
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de
In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
the big problem is, as evident by the linked PR, wrapper scripts
nixos test that takes the initrd and does find /nix/store -name bash -or -name irb -or -name … seems likely. If anyone really wants their bean shell in there, so be it
09:08:01
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.org hm? My point was that e.g. if you want cryptsetup stuff or gzip stuff (vconsole), you need wrapper scripts via makeWrapper that just set environment variables before executing the real program 09:09:24
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgthose scripts are almost universally bash in nixos09:09:47
@elvishjerricco:matrix.org@elvishjerricco:matrix.org oh but I guess isn't there a C version of makeWrapper? 09:10:06

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