| 9 Nov 2022 |
 @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Yea, I think you'd want it to fire for each state change. "It's degraded." "It's available" | 06:41:17 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | and then the user can decide whether to try a degraded import | 06:41:26 |
 @uep:matrix.org | broadly speaking not really worth it I think | 06:41:28 |
| @uep:matrix.org | Or rather, effort better spent into looking into why 9s of waiting is needed even after all devices have appeared. | 06:42:12 |
| @uep:matrix.org | but even then, meh | 06:42:23 |
| @uep:matrix.org | fwiw, on my laptop there is no "udev settling time" in old stage1, and the prompt is almost instant. About to try it with systemd stage 1 too | 06:43:43 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | well old initrd definitely uses udev settle | 06:44:10 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/system/boot/stage-1-init.sh#L259 | 06:44:32 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | ZFS stuff doesn't happen until after that | 06:44:42 |
| @uep:matrix.org | ok, no messages about it, at least, and no delay | 06:45:12 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Yea I'd like to know what that's about... | 06:45:35 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Maybe we just have too many udev rules in stage 1? | 06:45:44 |
| @uep:matrix.org | there is an annoying pause waiting for a swap zvol to appear, after the passwd prompt | 06:46:20 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | (sidenote, you really don't want your swap on ZFS at all) | 06:46:55 |
| @uep:matrix.org | ah, damn, the laptop is doing a big update as part of the rebuild, may take a minute ore | 06:46:59 |
| @uep:matrix.org | yeah, I know. Bit of legacy issue there with too-small a real swap partition | 06:47:27 |
| @uep:matrix.org | the zvol is lower priority and rarely gets hit | 06:47:58 |
| @uep:matrix.org | (the pool and partitioning long pre-dates nixos, it was running ubuntu zfs for years) | 06:48:54 |
| @uep:matrix.org | ok, very different timing on the laptop! | 06:50:06 |
| @uep:matrix.org | no wait for settling, and 🎉 no wait now for the zvol swap to appear, so faster boot overall | 06:50:33 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | well that's good at least :) | 06:50:52 |
| @uep:matrix.org | that was actually the reason to try, I sort of expected it might help | 06:51:25 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | in theory it should | 06:51:36 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | in practice it seems a second or 3 slower on a lot of people's machines | 06:51:53 |
| @uep:matrix.org | clearly depends on what's in the device tree. | 06:52:22 |
| @uep:matrix.org | Nov 09 17:49:44 localhost systemd[1]: Finished Coldplug All udev Devices.
Nov 09 17:49:44 localhost systemd[1]: Starting Wait for udev To Complete Device Initialization...
Nov 09 17:49:44 localhost systemd[1]: Finished Wait for udev To Complete Device Initialization.
| 06:54:34 |
| @uep:matrix.org | (more messages in between of course, but the timing delay is not noticable on screen) | 06:55:02 |
| @uep:matrix.org | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
the udev settle thing confused me, but then I remembered zfs pulls that in missed this before, there's even a note about it :)
Nov 09 17:49:44 localhost udevadm[132]: systemd-udev-settle.service is deprecated. Please fix zfs-import-rpool.service not to pull it in.
| 06:59:32 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | yep. There's even a github issue about it: https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/10891 | 07:01:00 |
| @uep:matrix.org | comments in there refer to what we discussed as "incremental assembly" | 07:08:10 |
