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11 Sep 2025
@winter:catgirl.cloudWinter* i do not trust any LLM to do an effective job with anything Nix related, unfortunately(?) any examples i've seen just show that they have no idea in the world about what they're doing, and just make things worse13:27:52
@prestonh:matrix.orgPreston

I agree. Nix tends to change option names a lot over time and the most reliable source tends to be the actual source of nixpkgs. The other part of nixos in my opinion is figuring out the syntax and the architecture of nixos itself. I find that people don’t tend to not learn when GenAI does everything for them. I’m aware GenAI is a very large and contentious topic right now, but I personally believe it shifts the job of writing and architecting code into code review (great when it works, disastrous when it doesn’t). MIT also did a study finding similar effects on learning and retaining information https://www.media.mit.edu/articles/a-i-s-effects-on-the-brain/.

Overall, very cool, and I think there’s potential, but I also think that the tool may need to help step people through what it’s doing so it can be a tool for learning not just click a button, pay 100$, and you have a “working” app or OS for about 3 weeks.

13:39:06
@k900:0upti.meK900I looked a bit, and sorry, but it's terrible13:42:00
@k900:0upti.meK900Lots of outdated data13:42:04
@k900:0upti.meK900Lots of weird copy/pasted nonsense13:42:26
@k900:0upti.meK900In a lot of places it's just objectively wrong not even on Nix things13:44:34
@k900:0upti.meK900But general Python/Linux understanding13:44:48
@prestonh:matrix.orgPrestonAs a suggestion, I would probably integrate some form of the NixOS wiki or some other tutorial or learning tool in your generator. Most people in this room and the NixOS community in general are probably going to have similar opinions on GenAI with regards to nix; and most people are not trying to discourage you either, we just haven’t seen good nix code come from GenAI due to the scope of NixOS catering to a wide population of users13:46:27
@k900:0upti.meK900I have never seen good code come from GenAI full stop13:46:51
@prestonh:matrix.orgPrestonI seen a good Hello World lol13:47:18
@khaneliman:matrix.orgAustin HorstmanSure you have, you just don't know it because it wasn't bad. 13:47:22
@k900:0upti.meK900I'm sure I've seen good code that was initially generated by an LLM, but then audited and cleaned up by a human13:48:04
@k900:0upti.meK900I'm talking specifically about raw, "vibe coded", if you will, LLM output13:48:16
@prestonh:matrix.orgPreston
In reply to @prestonh:matrix.org
As a suggestion, I would probably integrate some form of the NixOS wiki or some other tutorial or learning tool in your generator. Most people in this room and the NixOS community in general are probably going to have similar opinions on GenAI with regards to nix; and most people are not trying to discourage you either, we just haven’t seen good nix code come from GenAI due to the scope of NixOS catering to a wide population of users
I’d also like to say that I definitely don’t speak for literally everyone. This is mainly my opinion of what I’ve seen generally
13:48:21
@redbeardy_mcgee:matrix.orgredbeardymcgeeAI: I'm the idiot so you can feel smart correcting me, even though you're also wrong.13:49:21
@redbeardy_mcgee:matrix.orgredbeardymcgeewhen you sense AI, run away 13:49:53
@toonn:matrix.orgtoonn Yep, I disagree about discouraging them, for example. IMO, please don't LLM anything. It's a waste of resources. 13:49:58
@x12:matrix.org@x12:matrix.orgWow, you really roasted me here. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to write programs like this. I kind of understand how they’re supposed to work and what they should do, which is why I’m using AI. The idea for the app came from the fact that a few days ago I installed NixOS myself, and, well… long story short, I had a hard time figuring out the config. That’s where the idea came from — a quick app that can more or less show me what I can do with it and in what format. It’s not a finished project for the public, more like a template with an idea — a little helper for getting into the world of NixOS for new users 🙂13:57:37
@k900:0upti.meK900You may be interested in https://github.com/snowfallorg/nixos-conf-editor13:58:12
@k900:0upti.meK900If you're looking for something that does a similar thing, but more correctly13:58:22
@k900:0upti.meK900There's also https://mynixos.com/13:59:00
@x12:matrix.org@x12:matrix.orgThat's exactly what I meant. We can close the topic now 😆14:00:08
@redbeardy_mcgee:matrix.orgredbeardymcgeeDon't look to AI to solve problems for you. It will just make the problem worse.14:02:37
@redbeardy_mcgee:matrix.orgredbeardymcgeeYou have to be the expert who can fix every little mistake it makes, in order for AI to produce anything useful. By the time you work all those details out, you could have just written it better and faster yourself.14:03:28
@redbeardy_mcgee:matrix.orgredbeardymcgee

AI pooping code out on your screen feels better than the feedback loop of reading & understanding documentation, but it's worse.

14:04:20
@ihar.hrachyshka:matrix.orgIhar Hrachyshkano. just in the last week I generated 1) a benchmark for something in k8s world that used API I never touched before 2) a c++ app extracting all envvars from darwin process kernel api, one-shotted; I can't produce c++ code without much struggle. Both pieces of code were used and immediately thrown away. It didn't make it worse, I didn't need to be an expert. For (2), I later compared what it produced with the actual code in Lix tree for the same and it was very similar / not worse.14:06:59
@x12:matrix.org@x12:matrix.orgIt seems to me that if I had started my first post by saying that I’m trying to make an app that helps new users get into NixOS—without even mentioning that I’m using AI for it—the discussion would have been completely different. Well, I’m not going to tell you what’s what or how to live your life. Thanks to AI, I’ve got a few working apps that help me make money and do my work in general—without spending time learning languages like Python, JS, and others. Thanks for the link with a ready-made app for creating configs. I asked what you thought about the app, you said it was pointless, and that’s where the discussion can end, because there’s no sense in arguing over trivial stuff xD.14:44:06
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas Chevalier

This is not acceptable Winter K900 Preston redbeardymcgee . Don't pile on somebody asking an innocent question, it destroys the free flow of information.

Sorry about the bad reception x12

14:46:41
@x12:matrix.org@x12:matrix.orgHeh it's ok. :)14:52:27
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas ChevalierI think it's important to say graceful with people's ideas. Even if they are bad :) Otherwise we're missing out on people who might have good ideas, but want to avoid that type of interaction.14:59:26

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