| 10 Mar 2025 |
 Gaétan Lepage | I find myself using them quite regularly, but I rarely see a lot of other users. | 19:38:32 |
 emily | I use them frequently. | 19:40:50 |
| emily | stdenv work would be much more painful without. | 19:41:06 |
| Gaétan Lepage | From my experience, the darwin builder is the most limiting resource.
Although, I am very greatful for having access to them. Thanks to zowoq for managing the infra!
Jonas Chevalier, how is the "expenses" section of open-collective updated? Is it automated, or someone manually logs expenses forme time to time? | 19:46:12 |
 Austin Horstman | That reminds me I keep forgetting to set up my old macbook to just be a builder for me... lol | 19:47:25 |
| emily | I find the Darwin builder to be just fine perf-wise when it's not being overloaded. | 19:48:04 |
| Austin Horstman | Yeah, its just nice being able to run more builds simultaneously. Been setting up all my random computers as remote builders | 19:48:51 |
| Gaétan Lepage | Yes, my point is that it gets very easily overloaded.
Both darwin platforms rely on "only" 10 cores.
Often, python test suites will disregard whatever --cores value is used, and fill all the CPU cores.
This makes it very easy to completely freeze the system. | 19:50:04 |
| emily | more cores wouldn't improve that though, since such a package will overload any system it's built on | 20:15:12 |
| Gaétan Lepage | Yes, you are right. Besides this python test issue, more core would still help speeding up builds nonetheless. | 20:20:12 |
| Gaétan Lepage | * Yes, you are right. Besides this (very annoying) python test issue, more core would still help speeding up builds nonetheless. | 20:20:35 |
 Grimmauld (moving to @grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.de) | The builders are an amazing resource. It is much more enjoyable working with large builds or many rebuilds having some sort of offload system. I just recently got access, but its been great for working on Firefox (large build) or SDL (where often only transient dependents explode to changes in the includes/pkgconfig). Making testing faster and less painful is almost always a good thing. And so far I didn't have any issues with other people building at the same time at all. But I also don't build on Darwin. | 21:10:22 |
|  Gaël joined the room. | 22:08:20 |
| 11 Mar 2025 |
 Jonas Chevalier | I have to manually upload the invoices and running 2 months behind rn. I'll get it updated soon. | 09:02:54 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Yeah posting to Matrix would be a bit too noisy, but having those as metrics would be nice. | 09:05:06 |
