| 6 Sep 2024 |
 Jonas Chevalier | you can try echo hey, who is hogging the box? | wall on the machine, but not many people know you can do that | 07:57:20 |
 magic_rb | Unix has facilities for that | 07:57:21 |
| magic_rb | Exactly | 07:57:28 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I guess some instructions can be added to the MOTD as well | 07:58:07 |
| magic_rb | Or maybe we can symlink a markdown file into each of the users home dirs, like a manual thingie | 08:01:30 |
 emily | eh, my experience is that the builders are unused a large fraction of the time | 08:01:43 |
| magic_rb | (Mark the symlink readonly or smth so it cannot be gotten rid off) | 08:01:46 |
| emily | I don't mind people "hogging" it because I hog it at other times too :) | 08:01:50 |
| emily | though some kind of smart automatic scheduling could be cool | 08:02:04 |
| Jonas Chevalier | yes that would be real game changer. if we had good scheduling support, with priorities and resource accounting, we could also make the CI machines available, and reversely. But that's quite a bit of R&D | 08:24:59 |
| emily | it's not so bad to have to manually check in practice since often you need to baby-sit builds anyway | 08:26:29 |
| emily | (periodic "thanks for the builders, they make working on big Nixpkgs changes tolerable" :) ) | 08:26:40 |
| Jonas Chevalier | if we think crazy in the future, potentially, we could build every project on GitHub with a flake.nix | 08:32:39 |
| Jonas Chevalier | :p | 08:32:50 |
 nim65s | sounds like a job for slurm or similar | 08:41:54 |
| emily | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
if we think crazy in the future, potentially, we could build every project on GitHub with a flake.nix yeah, like Nixpkgs! | 08:43:22 |
 Gaétan Lepage | Hi,
I have to admit that I often find myself heavily using the builders. Many of the packages I maintain are a pain to build and take a lot of resources. | 08:44:02 |
| Gaétan Lepage | Also, I very rarely explicitly SSH the builders and simply have them configured as remote-builders on my personal system.
Wouldn't messaging techniques like wall be inefective in this aspect ? | 08:45:04 |
| Gaétan Lepage | Maybe, there could be a matrix room with all the people that have been allowed to use the builder. What do you think ? | 08:45:58 |
| emily | I guess probably many people use them as remote builders. I don't because I'm paranoid and don't trust them | 08:47:39 |
| Jonas Chevalier | yeah good point. this is the matrix room | 08:47:42 |
| Jonas Chevalier | we should probably ask everybody to join this room | 08:48:04 |
| emily | having another room just for that traffic doesn't seem like a bad idea, but I'm not sure there's sufficient cause for it at present | 08:48:04 |
| emily | usually I just notice my builds are going very slow, check top, and go oh okay let's do it later then | 08:48:18 |
| Gaétan Lepage | Yes, I meant having a dedicated one, because this room also has other uses.
But, indeed, it might be overkilled. | 08:49:26 |
| emily | what would really be nice is something more useful than top so that you can see what's actually getting built and how much CPU it's using, esp. if you're running a bunch of builds and one of them is hogging all the CPU or whatever | 08:51:28 |
