| 27 Jun 2025 |
 Christian Theune | raitobezarius: i'm trying out the patch combination that dominique suggested and will give him feedback in the next hour. but i'll stress that I have no semantically valid analysis of those patches and am just being a monkey, so I have no idea what makes more sense regarding the logic of the changes themselves. | 07:52:52 |
 raitobezarius | Here: https://matrix.to/#/!lymvtcwDJ7ZA9Npq:lix.systems/$wLqRlm7-iNmrkN2Tcn--Tmi92id4wgvKC5APwiEYYgw?via=lix.systems&via=matrix.org&via=catgirl.cloud but it's mostly me melting down | 10:05:47 |
| raitobezarius | Yeah, I will jump in when I have some time, I'm waiting for David to chime in because they probably have a better understanding, if nothing happens, I may try my hand at fixing it but this will take some time | 10:06:35 |
| raitobezarius | in our case, we just pinned 6.6 for now and called it a day | 10:06:49 |
| Christian Theune | yeah, we're running our affected tests without v9fs because we're currently upgrading the fleet to 6.12. we've been running with 6.12 in staging for a while now (but the tests were pinned on 6.6 due to combinatorial explosion) and are investing another potential kernel issue that seems to go away with 6.12 ... | 10:07:54 |
| Christian Theune | there are some days where it feels like luck getting a kernel version that works straightforward "everywhere" ... | 10:08:17 |
| Christian Theune | then again, i'm happy to not be stuck on a distro kernel - this makes talking to upstream much more pleasant | 10:08:33 |
| Christian Theune | at some point i need to find a kernel developer, get him a beer and figure out why folios seem to be something that keeps popping up in bugs ... | 10:09:06 |
| raitobezarius | folios is one of the most complicated technical debt payment ongoing in the kernel | 10:10:58 |
| raitobezarius | so it's very normal that they're exploding in many ways given the lack of fstests that can simulate realistic workloads and the classical CI discussion when it comes to the kernel | 10:12:07 |
 emily | learning that Linux filesystems don't get deeply rigorous automated testing for every release is like nerd Santa | 10:13:19 |
 uep | I mean, quite honestly, that's one of any number of reasons to use zfs | 10:16:51 |
| uep | With all the obvious irony that carries | 10:17:20 |
| raitobezarius | (plot twist: ZFS don't get deeply rigorous automated testing for every release neither :P — though they have a generous manual test suite — ZTS — which is run on every staging release manually by ZFS leadership) | 10:18:10 |
| raitobezarius | as always, I recommend: https://lwn.net/Articles/1015320/ to learn more about folios (a lot of good backlinks) | 10:19:18 |
| uep | I know, zfs releases rather than every kernel. That's part of the irony | 10:20:35 |
| raitobezarius | Speaking of the wolf, David answered | 10:26:48 |
| raitobezarius | with "How do I use Nix on Fedora?" | 10:26:52 |
| emily | the two words every Fedora user loves to hear: "disable SELinux" | 10:28:13 |
 raboof | we'd like to have a simple static website for the NixNL community/meetup. could we serve that under i.e. nl.nixos.org or would it be better to put it somewhere else? having it on 'shared' infrastructure seems nice, so that it can be transferred when the current people go MIA (like happened with https://www.meetup.com/Amsterdam-Nix-Meetup/...) | 13:46:30 |
| 28 Jun 2025 |
 sterni | Another weird one: https://hydra.nixos.org/build/301060494/nixlog/1, remove-references-to is added to nativeBuildInputs unconditionally in haskellPackages. Can't reproduce this failure. | 09:57:34 |
| 30 Jun 2025 |
|  sinan changed their profile picture. | 02:11:25 |
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| raitobezarius | hexa (signing key rotation when) could I bother you with a bump to the front with NixOS 25.05 for the new Lix bumps? | 12:25:16 |
 hexa (signing key rotation when) | smol? | 12:25:57 |
| raitobezarius | ye | 12:26:06 |
| hexa (signing key rotation when) | bumped | 12:26:44 |
| raitobezarius | <3 | 12:26:48 |
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