| 8 May 2026 |
 leona | it doesnt make sense to rebuild all nixos tests just to do it again in a few hours | 07:55:27 |
 Vladimír Čunát | Dirty Frag patches already? | 07:55:35 |
| leona | correct, https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/517962 | 07:55:40 |
| leona | currently building them on my machine | 07:55:50 |
| Vladimír Čunát | OK, good call to cancel early. | 07:56:09 |
| Vladimír Čunát | -small will be the primary targets, but it still didn't make sense to do lots of NixOS tests builds before that update. | 07:57:15 |
| leona | I started a new unstable-small eval, Kernel fix is merged to master | 08:36:56 |
 K900 | Also booped the automerge | 08:38:12 |
| K900 | So -next catches up | 08:38:21 |
|  jopejoe1 changed their display name from jopejoe1 (4094@epvpn) to jopejoe1. | 08:43:04 |
| Vladimír Čunát | OK, though kernels will probably update again anyway before staging-next gets to master. | 08:45:40 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * Sounds good, though kernels will probably update again anyway before staging-next gets to master. | 08:46:18 |
| K900 | I'm trying to build my stuff against staging-next now | 08:55:07 |
| K900 | Cause I have no spoons and a lot of compute | 08:55:16 |
|  @hxr404:tchncs.de left the room. | 09:20:34 |
 Arian | So our storage cost in S3 is going down due to the GC.
However our egress bandwidth cost are growing faster than the storage cost is shrinking.
I think AI scraping is killing us perhaps | 10:09:08 |
| Arian | 2 years ago egress bandwidth was 3.5k per month. . It's 6.2k per month now | 10:09:48 |
| Arian | I think in one month we'll be paying more for egress bandwidth than storage | 10:10:12 |
| Arian | That sounds really off to me. | 10:10:17 |
| Arian | 
Download 1000065300.jpg | 10:11:44 |
| Arian | Red line is egress bandwidth | 10:11:51 |
| Arian | It's hockey sticking | 10:11:57 |
 jappie | does that mean that the amount of requests for stuff that isn't cached by fastly is growing (perhaps scrapers stumbling upon old derivations)? because I'd assume an uptick in users downloading new-ish derivations would mean more hits in fastly and no noticeable growth in S3 egress | 10:17:43 |
 hexa | I think so | 10:18:23 |
| jappie | how the hell are scrapers discovering old store paths / derivations... the URLs for those contain a hash right? I'd expect that to be really difficult and time-consuming (and useless) to scrape | 10:19:37 |
| Arian | You can dump all of hydras evaluations. Or run evaluations for all historical nixos commits yourself | 10:21:14 |
| leona | can we determine that this is egress via fastly or is someone downloading them directly from AWS? | 10:21:46 |
| Arian | Directly through S3 is only possible when requester pays | 10:22:01 |
| Arian | We don't have anonymous auth enabled on our bucket. You need to provide your iam identity and it gets billed to the caller | 10:22:32 |
| Arian | It would be preferable if scrapers would scrape S3 directly as then it doesn't cost us | 10:22:55 |
