| 27 Oct 2021 |
 Linux Hackerman | idk, seems a bit ungrateful to go "ok yeah we're moving away because we don't trust you to not turn the tap off, and we didn't ask if you could promise not to but anyway kthxbye" | 23:34:31 |
| Linux Hackerman | And if these are the kind of "tactical considerations" in play maybe this shouldn't be discussed in a public room | 23:35:57 |
| Linux Hackerman | anyway just my €0.02, I need to go to bed really | 23:36:22 |
 Domen Kožar | I'm just trying to help reduce the risk Graham mentioned :) | 23:36:33 |
| Domen Kožar | It's easy to leave a snarky comment, but nevertheless the risk is real. | 23:37:01 |
 moritz.hedtke | Redacted or Malformed Event | 23:37:48 |
| Domen Kožar | I do not imply we are not greatful for the current sponsorship, I also think we can publicly thank for it and find a better solution for our community. | 23:39:44 |
| moritz.hedtke | * 10k+ just storage and no builders (but + network traffic excluding cache?) | 23:40:30 |
 tomberek | The calm fund/Cloudflare sponsorship you mentioned would be beneficial, even if only as a backup line of support. What would that look like? | 23:47:23 |
| Domen Kožar | I'm not sure and I can't promise anything. But if I'm taking time of our fund and top people in Cloudflare it's important that I have the backing of the foundation and agree upon what we'd like. | 23:49:21 |
| Domen Kožar | I'm thinking they'd sponsor storage + bandwidth with a few months of termination notice | 23:49:55 |
| Domen Kožar | Initially I thought to do this via Cachix, but it's not in the best interest of the community to depend on me while we have the foundation. | 23:53:02 |
| Domen Kožar | (that would give us some cool features, but not worth it at this point) | 23:54:35 |
| tomberek | Would it be that Cloudflare sponsors R2 storage + CDN? or fund S3 in case existing funding is interrupted? or do we do a mirror/transfer? (i'm just trying to think through the details) | 23:57:46 |
| Domen Kožar | Don't think they'd be willing to pay amazon a cent :) | 23:59:24 |
| tomberek | (yeah, that would be .... odd...) | 23:59:43 |
| 28 Oct 2021 |
| Domen Kožar | It'd start as a mirror and then transfer over | 00:00:06 |
| Domen Kožar | * It'd start as a proxy and then transfer over to become a mirror | 00:03:03 |
| tomberek | I guess one overall assessment is to understand where this ranks among the risks of the community and if there are higher priorities. But as a project, sounds useful and interesting. | 00:05:35 |
| Domen Kožar | I am personally very worried we don't have a clear agreement for our core infrastructure | 00:08:14 |
| Domen Kožar | It also holds us back, as we could use foundation funds for things like events, more infrastructure, etc | 00:10:49 |
| Domen Kožar | And as mentioned above, it's not transparent as there's almost no expenses, so why would the companies donate? | 00:12:46 |
| Domen Kožar | My motivation why it's important to prioritize and fix this properly. | 00:13:23 |
| Domen Kožar | * A few thoughts why it's important to prioritize and fix this properly. | 00:13:43 |
| Domen Kožar | * And as mentioned above, it's not transparent as there're almost no expenses, so why would the companies donate? | 00:25:42 |
| tomberek | The "risk expense" is not adequately captured in the reporting of expenses. | 00:36:36 |
 sterni | if we really have to almost 90% of everything raised via opencollective as risk contingency that sounds like a very bad place to be in | 09:30:19 |
| sterni | * if we really have to almost 90% of everything raised via opencollective as risk contingency that sounds like a suboptimal place to be in | 09:34:06 |
|  ma27 joined the room. | 10:07:32 |
 andi- | People hate the topic but if the funds we would need are really in the 10k/month region we should perhaps think of owning the hardware and having just a caching CDN. Still lots of work (hardware I know...) but perhaps that wouldn't be the end of the world if it means that we don't have to fear a random sponsor leaving the ship. | 10:55:35 |
