| 4 Jun 2021 |
|  nbathum (he or they) joined the room. | 16:04:21 |
 maralorn | I see trouble in the horizon. | 23:13:24 |
| maralorn | https://www.stackage.org/blog/2021/05/2021-05-29-upcomming-ghc-9-on-nightlies | 23:13:27 |
 sterni (he/him) | oh god oh no | 23:13:46 |
 pennae | uh what | 23:14:21 |
| maralorn | I am really unsatisfied with switching to 9.0 before we have hls support | 23:14:29 |
| sterni (he/him) | so we may need to switch to lts 18? | 23:14:42 |
| sterni (he/him) | with GHC 9 we'd partiallly loose diagrams as well which would break some top-level stuff | 23:19:10 |
| sterni (he/him) | which is just a random example I happen to be working on so I suspect a lot of stuff will break with GHC 9 in general | 23:19:42 |
| maralorn | In reply to @sternenseemann:systemli.org
so we may need to switch to lts 18? I am really uncertain how to proceed. Switching to LTS would mean waiting for 9.0 much longer than I'd like. Also the maintenance was more complicated on LTS. Otoh we can't just break everything... | 23:25:36 |
| sterni (he/him) | we can switch back to nightly when we get HLS for 9.0? | 23:26:45 |
| sterni (he/him) | I mean we can try out how bad it is when it happens for a bit and then talk again I guess | 23:27:05 |
| sterni (he/him) | but I fear without HLS we'd really need to have a functional 8.10.4 | 23:27:32 |
| sterni (he/him) | * but I fear without HLS we'd really need to have a functional 8.10.4 set as well | 23:27:36 |
| sterni (he/him) | with binary cache and everything which would be a challenge to maintain and get built | 23:27:50 |
| sterni (he/him) | I hope we can find a darwin person mid to long term | 23:54:37 |
| sterni (he/him) | I can do darwin testing and fixing, but I'm noticing that I'm doing it out of a feeling of obligation and it is frustrating me | 23:55:01 |
| sterni (he/him) | so not sure if I'll | 23:55:05 |
| sterni (he/him) | * so not sure if I want to keep it up tbh | 23:55:13 |
| sterni (he/him) | we definitely need someone to do the initial aarch64-darwin as well | 23:55:58 |
| sterni (he/him) | but seems like that would be pending a new GHC release anyways so we can keep doing nothing :) | 23:56:58 |
| 5 Jun 2021 |
| sterni (he/him) | maralorn: fixed reflex-dom in https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/125429/commits/9b1e0e4b7492c4bdba7d91d0c927144217e80cc7 | 00:32:08 |
|  Jan Tojnar joined the room. | 00:35:01 |
 cdepillabout | We could always just hold off updating our Stackage Nightly pin for a month or two. | 01:36:26 |
| cdepillabout | After a month or two, if top-level packages still don't work, then we can just mark them broken and wait for their maintainers to unbreak them. | 01:40:34 |
| cdepillabout | In reply to @sternenseemann:systemli.org
I can do darwin testing and fixing, but I'm noticing that I'm doing it out of a feeling of obligation and it is frustrating me I really want to urge you not to feel obligation here. I think in open source, if someone wants something working, the burden is really on them to get it working. You really shouldn't feel an obligation getting something working that you don't use, especially if it could possibly burn you out. | 01:42:24 |
| cdepillabout | I guess I see our role more as providing a platform and framework that maintainers can use to get their Haskell packages building, rather than the three of us actually being responsible for keeping all the top-level Haskell packages building. | 01:45:25 |
| cdepillabout | We should probably keep pandoc building though... | 01:46:52 |
|  thomasjm joined the room. | 08:46:03 |
| sterni (he/him) | cdepillabout: well that's what I am afraid of, too, but I just can't help myself very often | 10:21:34 |
