| 29 Aug 2025 |
 sterni | sure | 16:04:05 |
| sterni | * ~~sure~~ | 16:04:30 |
| sterni | * sure | 16:04:35 |
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 Artem | all this text's show fallout is due to the fact that in Haskell you can't require people to import qualified. See, certain modules, including Data.Text, are designed to be imported qualified. They will say so in the documentation. But this is only a guideline. It's impossible to enforce. So, anyone who ignored this guideline, imported Data.Text unqualified, and also happened to use show from Prelude, gets blown out... And the good fix is to import Data.Text qualified and update the usages of stuff from there. An easy fix is to update the usages of show to Prelude.show. None if these two are one-line fix in general, sadly. | 19:38:03 |
 maralorn | I mean I kinda think importing without import lists or unqualified should be prevented by a linter on hackage upload. | 19:43:05 |
 emily | sometimes you do want that (modules specifically designed as preludes), no? | 19:43:40 |
| emily | even in Rust people sometimes do glob imports for that case | 19:43:52 |
| maralorn | Yeah, fair. | 19:51:03 |
 toonn | Importing Data.Text unqualified would also not be a problem if people actually stuck to the PVP. | 19:52:10 |
| maralorn | I mean for us in nixpkgs that wouldn’t really help, we would normally be forced to do a jailbreak anyway and then it wouldn’t compile. Although I agree it is better. | 19:53:57 |
| toonn | Well, yeah, but that's going beyond what Hackage and the package maintainers explicitly support. | 20:23:08 |
| 30 Aug 2025 |
| sterni | toonn: Non-breaking change. Otherwise, if only new bindings, types, classes, non-orphan instances or modules (but see below) were added to the interface, then A.B MAY remain the same but the new C MUST be greater than the old C. | 01:55:58 |
| sterni | (below is only about leaking instances) | 01:56:09 |
| maralorn | sterni: I thought the point is: When you import a package unqualified then you need to have an upper bound on the .C to conform with PVP. | 02:08:57 |
| maralorn | * sterni: I thought the point is: When you import a package unqualified then you need to have an upper bound on the .C of that package to conform with PVP. | 02:09:12 |
| sterni | they don't even use an uppercase MAY or RECOMMENDED for that | 02:12:21 |
| sterni | they say not doing that is “slightly risky” | 02:12:52 |
| sterni | but you are technically conforming when everything's fine when uploading | 02:13:03 |
| maralorn | Weird. All my years reading CLC discussions had made me think that | 09:10:31 |
| toonn | Are you though? Because the PVP as written is for versioning a package, not for how to bound dependencies, no? | 09:24:25 |
 teo (they/he) | Out of interest, how many packages did this break in nixpkgs? I would've expected everything to be updated by now. I guess it's things not on Stackage? | 10:15:42 |
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| 31 Aug 2025 |
 lxsameer | hey folks, do nixpkgs contain the webassembly backend of GHC? | 17:38:15 |
| Uraraka ~ Ochaco | most of it, it just requires a little patching by this gitlab.haskell.org/haskell-wasm/ghc-wasm-meta | 17:39:00 |
| lxsameer | what's the package name? | 17:39:18 |
| maralorn | In reply to @lxsameer:matrix.org
hey folks, do nixpkgs contain the webassembly backend of GHC? Not really. no. | 17:39:57 |
| Uraraka ~ Ochaco | normally I just do (builtins.getFlake "gitlab:haskell-wasm/ghc-wasm-meta?host=gitlab.haskell.org").packages.x86_64-linux.all_9_12 in a shell.nix | 17:40:32 |
