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| Nix Flakes | 864 Members |
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| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 9 Mar 2025 | ||
 emily | lots of weird stuff around subflakes too | 15:01:30 |
 WeetHet | In reply to @elikoga:matrix.orgTbf one could argue it became this way due to widespread propaganda of flakes as an entry point into the nix world which they imho shouldn't be | 15:17:50 |
 elikoga | What the fuck else should I be using to lock my lockfile? npins? Pinning by hand? | 15:21:01 |
| elikoga | Should I set NIX_PATH myself like a Victorian era peasant? | 15:21:37 |
| elikoga | Should I write my own script to do the fetching? | 15:21:51 |
| elikoga | What is the path of least resistance to getting a lock file? Using the built in lock file management. I must admit, the shilling can go on my nerves too, but as far as I can tell, that's why there is a low lack of understanding accross the entire nix ecosystem. Getting users acquainted with configuration.nix first may be very easy but it can lead to a large population of users unfamiliar with what they are doing | 15:24:53 |
 hexa joined the room. | 15:26:44 | |
| elikoga | * What is the path of least resistance to getting a lock file? Using the built in lock file management. I must admit, the shilling can go on my nerves too, but as far as I can tell, that's why there is a lack of understanding accross the entire nix ecosystem. Getting users acquainted with configuration.nix first may be very easy but it can lead to a large population of users unfamiliar with what they are doing | 15:27:41 |
| elikoga | I am sorry for my crass language yet the other side can call the feature "a stain" on the language I am allowed to swear a little bit when complaining about a lack of solutions given | 15:29:53 |
| emily | I think it's not productive to discuss this further unless you want to retract "all the arguments I can see going against this are bad-faith, non-users, agitators, that deliberately misrepresent the technical state", which seems to have been based more on your own ignorance of the technical state than mine | 15:33:26 |
| emily | I haven't participated in any mud-slinging myself, so I don't think you have any reason to be like this when I'm trying to engage against my better judgement | 15:34:03 |
| hexa | https://discourse.nixos.org/t/experimental-does-not-mean-unstable-detsyss-perspective-on-nix-flakes/32703/2 is another post that summarizes existing issues with flakes | 15:37:33 |
| elikoga |
Actually this smells like the collusion and intimidation I know from university politics. This post has been quoted many times, yet I believe that all of the points are not release-blockers and deliberately use emotional language like "is awful and a clear downgrade from stable Nix." while not considering any of the technical tradeoffs I think I'll write up something longer and much more calmer on this in a bit or defer that to the future since I don't see going around in small messages going anywhere. Thank you all for taking the time to discuss | 15:42:06 |
| emily | I literally gave a link and a quote when you asked? | 15:43:20 |