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 elikoga | https://discourse.nixos.org/t/determinate-nix-3-0/61202/92?u=elikoga | 23:02:39 |
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| 9 Mar 2025 |
 osbm | Hello, elikoga
The old nix cli is apparently unusable to these users and once they are using flakes they start to believe they are writing flakes every time they write a single line of nix in their whole project containing a flake.nix
I am trying to understand your point. What exactly is wrong with this? I started using nix in the last year and since every body is recommending it i started using flakes. It feels better to use a generalized entypoint to all your code, instead of /etc/nixos/configuration.nix, shell.nix, default.nix, and channels. And all my nix related projects always use flakes. I dont think i am harming anybody. Do you think that too many new users became too dependent on an experimental feature too fast so that the maintainers cant destructively improve upon the flakes design without facing backlash?
| 13:26:21 |
| elikoga | People refuse to stabilize flakes because agitators shit and piss themselves about minor design decisions
Flakes cli gets distributed in the nix cli (good)
But remains gated behind a flag (bad)
And since it's not part of nix main the communication around this feature gets incredibly confusing. I believe that the v1.0 semantics of flakes are obviously finished and all the arguments I can see going against this are bad-faith, non-users, agitators, that deliberately misrepresent the technical state | 13:29:45 |
| osbm changed their display name from osman bayram to osbm. | 13:30:38 |
| elikoga | Nothing wrong with nix flakes channel being "nix-programming-general" (except for off/on-topic) it's just that agitators don't seem to acknowledge that fact | 13:32:04 |
| osbm | Is there a roadmap/backlog for a feature to stop being an experimental feature? Or are just the discussions stopping this? | 13:34:49 |
| elikoga | In reply to @osmanfbayram:matrix.org
Is there a roadmap/backlog for a feature to stop being an experimental feature? Or are just the discussions stopping this? Oh of course: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/milestone/27
But: "As of yet, we are largely dependent on contributions, so this milestone does not have a due date, or any timeline." | 13:36:27 |
| elikoga | I'd also love to be able to use this channel to discuss stuff like this but it's filled with "nix-programming-general" because lockfile management is one of the features that gates a lot of nix usage | 13:39:40 |
