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22 Sep 2021
@edrex:matrix.orgedrexi'm honestly not sure tho20:42:18
@edrex:matrix.orgedrexi will try to make an impure flake for it and install that way20:42:50
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoftI guess it would be nicer if it was possible to specify what hardware you need declaratively20:43:36
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft And perhaps add an auto-detector thing that would work similar to hardware-configuration.nix 20:43:53
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft * And perhaps add an auto-detector thing that would work similar to nixos-generate-config --show-hardware-configuration 20:44:18
@edrex:matrix.orgedrex
In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
Understood, flakes are not completely done, nor have they moved out of experimental status. So you are in a bit of an awkward moment. I would like to re-do "nix pills" with flakes and nix2.4 cli at some point.
yeah, i think that's what's needed. and yeah, i knew what awkwardness I was diving into. My intention is/was to provide some early product testing, which means I need to complain in useful ways/volumes
20:45:08
@edrex:matrix.orgedrex
In reply to @balsoft:balsoft.ru
And perhaps add an auto-detector thing that would work similar to nixos-generate-config --show-hardware-configuration
so it would do some runtime detection and use that to configure? somehow it seems like they also want to have all the possible binary graphics drivers as inputs. maybe they're not using the system drivers but matched copies? I'm not sure.
20:46:59
@edrex:matrix.orgedrexerr, "... and use that to produce a description of the local driver configuration which would be (pure) input to subsequent evaluation runs?"20:48:14
23 Sep 2021
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk joined the room.23:37:35
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk Hi!
Someone here knows a way to run nix flake check excluding some outputs? I would like to specify the excluded outputs directly in the cli.
The reason is that I want to be able to run that command on my machine which supports cross compilation but I want to exclude that outputs that need it when I run the command in a github workflow (where cross compilation is not supported and where I can't have an aarch64 host).
23:41:41
24 Sep 2021
@niksnut:matrix.orgniksnut
In reply to @aciceri:nixos.dev
Hi!
Someone here knows a way to run nix flake check excluding some outputs? I would like to specify the excluded outputs directly in the cli.
The reason is that I want to be able to run that command on my machine which supports cross compilation but I want to exclude that outputs that need it when I run the command in a github workflow (where cross compilation is not supported and where I can't have an aarch64 host).
Currently there isn't. I guess we could add an --exclude flag or something like that...
09:45:48
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft
In reply to @niksnut:matrix.org
Currently there isn't. I guess we could add an --exclude flag or something like that...
Could we just add --only-eval-current-platform ? I think it would solve the most common issue (which is IFD in checkable outputs)
09:46:48
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk

Maybe balsoft's solution is better since the only use case that comes to my mind is when the host's architecture is different, but I don't feel like I can express an opinion.

Any quick workaround to do what I'm trying to do instead? Maybe a sequence of nix check where I manually specifying what want to check?

10:23:23
@aciceri:nixos.devzrskHowever I found a discussione about this: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/426510:24:05
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft
In reply to @aciceri:nixos.dev

Maybe balsoft's solution is better since the only use case that comes to my mind is when the host's architecture is different, but I don't feel like I can express an opinion.

Any quick workaround to do what I'm trying to do instead? Maybe a sequence of nix check where I manually specifying what want to check?

What exactly are you trying to do?
10:24:43
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoftJust run checks for your platform?10:24:48
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft If so, just nix build all of them 10:24:53
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk

I'm trying to write a flake with the configurations of all my machines (using devos as template), included an aarch64 notebook. The problem is that when I run in the Github workflow nix flake check it tells me that "a 'aarch64-linux' with features {} is required to build blah blah..." and it stops.

Before adding the arm machine the workflow correctly worked.

10:35:54
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk

The alternative would be to run several times nix build .#checks.x86_64-linux.<myCheck> with all the needed <myCheck>s. I see two problems:

  • The number of my checks could grow in time and I don't want to manually add these lines in the workflow yaml, is there a way to get a flake's outputs? Then with a little bit of shell fu I could obtain the correct nix build command to run.
  • According to the doc flake check not only builds the checks but also does checks that the flake's outputs are app definitions, nixos modules, overlays, etc... So it would'n be equivalent to just run a sequence of nix build
10:48:06
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk *

The alternative would be to run several times nix build .#checks.x86_64-linux.<myCheck> with all the needed <myCheck>s. I see two problems:

  • The number of my checks could grow in time and I don't want to manually add these lines in the workflow yaml, is there a way to get a flake's outputs? Then with a little bit of shell fu I could obtain the correct nix build command to run.
  • According to the doc flake check not only builds the checks but also does checks that the flake's outputs are app definitions, nixos modules, overlays, etc... So it wouldn't be equivalent to just run a sequence of nix build
10:48:47
@ilkecan:matrix.orgilkecan
In reply to @aciceri:nixos.dev

The alternative would be to run several times nix build .#checks.x86_64-linux.<myCheck> with all the needed <myCheck>s. I see two problems:

  • The number of my checks could grow in time and I don't want to manually add these lines in the workflow yaml, is there a way to get a flake's outputs? Then with a little bit of shell fu I could obtain the correct nix build command to run.
  • According to the doc flake check not only builds the checks but also does checks that the flake's outputs are app definitions, nixos modules, overlays, etc... So it wouldn't be equivalent to just run a sequence of nix build
To get the flake outputs, there is nix flake show but it is for humans. Recently a PR that adds --json flag is merged but it seems this didn't hit the channels yet.
11:07:44
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft
In reply to @aciceri:nixos.dev

The alternative would be to run several times nix build .#checks.x86_64-linux.<myCheck> with all the needed <myCheck>s. I see two problems:

  • The number of my checks could grow in time and I don't want to manually add these lines in the workflow yaml, is there a way to get a flake's outputs? Then with a little bit of shell fu I could obtain the correct nix build command to run.
  • According to the doc flake check not only builds the checks but also does checks that the flake's outputs are app definitions, nixos modules, overlays, etc... So it wouldn't be equivalent to just run a sequence of nix build
  1. AFAIR you can generate workflow YAML's at runtime. If so, nothing is stopping you from using Nix to generate them with builtins.toJSON. If you want an example on how to do it for buildkite, see https://github.com/serokell/common-infra/blob/master/flake.nix#L69
11:51:40
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk
In reply to @ilkecan:matrix.org
To get the flake outputs, there is nix flake show but it is for humans. Recently a PR that adds --json flag is merged but it seems this didn't hit the channels yet.
This is exactly what I was looking for (I mean the --json option) and this is not a problem if it's not in the channels yet since I need it only in the Github workflow where I can directly specifiy which commit of Nix I need.
12:12:35
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk
In reply to @balsoft:balsoft.ru
  1. AFAIR you can generate workflow YAML's at runtime. If so, nothing is stopping you from using Nix to generate them with builtins.toJSON. If you want an example on how to do it for buildkite, see https://github.com/serokell/common-infra/blob/master/flake.nix#L69
This is even better, the only problem are my Nix skills that are really basic. But I image this could be the right time I learn something new.
12:14:41
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk

Two completely unrelated questions:

  1. is it possible for a flake to "read the status" of the running system where it's executed (with nix build or nix check for example)? I was thinking it would be convenient (for my use case written before) to understand during the flake evaluation the host's architecture (I mean the machine where I run nix)
  2. Does it exist a github bot that try to update my flake's inputs (the flake is hosted on Github)? Consider that for the pacakges I also use nvfetcher this simplifies. However I would also like to update modules and all, not only packages.
20:17:06
@ilkecan:matrix.orgilkecan
In reply to @aciceri:nixos.dev

Two completely unrelated questions:

  1. is it possible for a flake to "read the status" of the running system where it's executed (with nix build or nix check for example)? I was thinking it would be convenient (for my use case written before) to understand during the flake evaluation the host's architecture (I mean the machine where I run nix)
  2. Does it exist a github bot that try to update my flake's inputs (the flake is hosted on Github)? Consider that for the pacakges I also use nvfetcher this simplifies. However I would also like to update modules and all, not only packages.
For the first question, not sure if I understood what you want but you can get the current system from shell with nix show-config --json | jq ".system.value" and from Nix with builtins.currentSystem. But I think the latter is disabled by default with flakes and requires --impure.
20:55:30
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft
In reply to @aciceri:nixos.dev

Two completely unrelated questions:

  1. is it possible for a flake to "read the status" of the running system where it's executed (with nix build or nix check for example)? I was thinking it would be convenient (for my use case written before) to understand during the flake evaluation the host's architecture (I mean the machine where I run nix)
  2. Does it exist a github bot that try to update my flake's inputs (the flake is hosted on Github)? Consider that for the pacakges I also use nvfetcher this simplifies. However I would also like to update modules and all, not only packages.
  1. No, it's not, by design (it wouldn't be hermetic otherwise)
  2. Yes! https://github.com/serokell/update-daemon (it's still somewhat WIP though)
21:02:07
25 Sep 2021
@colemickens:matrix.orgcolemickens 🏳️‍🌈 when using nix cli 2, you can often structure things such that your commands are actually arch amiguous. nix run .#install-secrets does the right thing because it auto-coerces that to (a number of things including) .apps.{archs}.install-secrets. The {arch} it tries during the coercion is based on the host executing nix. 05:10:02
27 Sep 2021
@aciceri:nixos.devzrsk
In reply to @balsoft:balsoft.ru
  1. No, it's not, by design (it wouldn't be hermetic otherwise)
  2. Yes! https://github.com/serokell/update-daemon (it's still somewhat WIP though)
  1. I understand, it makes sense
  2. Really interesting, it could be exactly what I was looking for, I'm definitely going to try it. Looking at module definition I can't understand how to set the agentSetup option. I also don't understand if I have to create another GitHub user or what. Are there any examples?
15:38:56
@balsoft:balsoft.rubalsoft
In reply to @aciceri:nixos.dev
  1. I understand, it makes sense
  2. Really interesting, it could be exactly what I was looking for, I'm definitely going to try it. Looking at module definition I can't understand how to set the agentSetup option. I also don't understand if I have to create another GitHub user or what. Are there any examples?
(2) Sadly examples aren't public, but I can provide you with a snippet if you want
15:41:17

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