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| @themountainking:matrix.org | So I'm having a hard time grasping flakes and why I should start using them. I am still pretty new to nix os. | 14:23:17 |
| @themountainking:matrix.org | Can someone please help me to understand? | 14:23:38 |
 @janik0:matrix.org | In reply to @themountainking:matrix.org
So I'm having a hard time grasping flakes and why I should start using them. I am still pretty new to nix os. they try to give you a more ore less defined api of inputs and outputs, kinda like a swagger.json for rest apis in case you are familiar but a lot more vibes and less standard. A output can be anything from a systemConfiguration, to a derivation or function. I don't know if you should start using them that's a kind hard question to answer. a lot of unofficial documentation has support and many times even better support for them because many people feel it's easier learning them. Basically anything you can do with flakes can also be done without them and for some things you need community tools like niv or npins for pinning versions. | 14:34:00 |
| @themountainking:matrix.org | In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
they try to give you a more ore less defined api of inputs and outputs, kinda like a swagger.json for rest apis in case you are familiar but a lot more vibes and less standard. A output can be anything from a systemConfiguration, to a derivation or function. I don't know if you should start using them that's a kind hard question to answer. a lot of unofficial documentation has support and many times even better support for them because many people feel it's easier learning them. Basically anything you can do with flakes can also be done without them and for some things you need community tools like niv or npins for pinning versions. Thank you for your input. I understand a little better now. Not sure if they are required for my humble use at this time. Having a solid nix config file seems to be doing the trick. I would like to dabble in impermeance once I better understand that. | 14:41:46 |
| @janik0:matrix.org | fyi, there is a #impermanence:nixos.org channel if you start playing with that or have more questions ^^ | 14:42:53 |
| @themountainking:matrix.org | I just like a nice simple secure OS configured to my exact specifications, use flatpaks for most of my commonly used personal apps, then virtual machines and docker containers for work. | 14:42:55 |
| @themountainking:matrix.org | In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
fyi, there is a #impermanence:nixos.org channel if you start playing with that or have more questions ^^ Thanks! I'll check them out. | 14:43:23 |
| 16 Dec 2023 |
 Bryan | In reply to @themountainking:matrix.org
I just like a nice simple secure OS configured to my exact specifications, use flatpaks for most of my commonly used personal apps, then virtual machines and docker containers for work. What do you find better about flatpaks over nix installed and isolated profiles? Please don't take this as an attack - I just don't quite see the appeal and am genuinely curious. | 13:08:55 |
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| @themountainking:matrix.org | In reply to @bryan.bennett:matrix.org
What do you find better about flatpaks over nix installed and isolated profiles? Please don't take this as an attack - I just don't quite see the appeal and am genuinely curious. Could be, because I am still new to nixos. Don't know what isolated profiles are. Aside from that the appeal of flatpaks for me are that software sources are often directly published and maintained there. With flatpaks you'll often get the most up to date versions as soon as they are released. | 12:49:26 |
| @themountainking:matrix.org | In reply to @bryan.bennett:matrix.org
What do you find better about flatpaks over nix installed and isolated profiles? Please don't take this as an attack - I just don't quite see the appeal and am genuinely curious. Could you please explain why your way is more beneficial? I'd like to understand your viewpoint. | 12:50:42 |
 tomberek | flatpaks are good for encapsulation. They have a concept called runtime that are a standard set of libraries that your application builds against. But note that all of this means that your own application or library cannot be re-used by others, they have to build/bundle/distribute it because it is not a part of the blessed "runtime". In Nix there is no blessed runtime, even the dynamic linker. So we take that concept to the extreme to the point where anything you build/distribute can be reused/shared, and won't conflict with anything else either. So if you only have a concern of distributing one application, flatpak might be a better choice. Nix has made a different set of tradeoffs.
profiles allow you to group together several packages into a single directory tree. | 22:07:24 |
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