| 9 Mar 2025 |
 hexa | * yes, feel free to write something up, since this discourse is obviously not working out for you | 15:45:49 |
 emily | anyway, I think a lot of rhetoric getting thrown around is dumb, so if you assume I agree with all of it then I understand that my position would look disingenuous or silly | 15:46:02 |
| emily | I do not think we should immediately destroy flakes and break everything forever, or that Nix before flakes was a crystalline jewel of bug-free perfection and no weird path-dependent backwards compatibility concerns, or anything | 15:46:33 |
| emily | I do think that flake internals are weird and buggy enough, and the number of breaking changes resulting from bug fixes that would be considered unacceptable for a stable feature but that would have been awful has been high enough, and continues climbing enough, that were the ecosystem to fork over, say, a declared stability guarantee for exactly one semantics of flakes (already different to the semantics we had one stable version ago), it would be very bad for all parties | 15:48:09 |
| emily | and if you think that both the Nix team, the Lix team, and the Tvix team are colluding to arrive at the position of "stabilizing flakes in a way that doesn't cause huge problems down the line is going to be a delicate process" then… well, anyone managing to establish a robust conspiracy from that coalition might as well be a god, but also I wonder how much time you have actually spent with the codebase? | 15:50:10 |
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 Sandro 🐧 | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
https://discourse.nixos.org/t/experimental-does-not-mean-unstable-detsyss-perspective-on-nix-flakes/32703/2 is another post that summarizes existing issues with flakes That's pretty well written 👍 | 15:51:20 |
| emily | there are political problems of course… for instance, you can probably guess at a reason why the Nix team's communications on this matter are quiet | 15:51:23 |
 elikoga | Enough to feel silly when seeing infinisil complain about coupling of the eval-cache mechanism with flakes.
I can understand criticizing that the name isn't "flake-eval-cache" but as it stands that proposal is not coherent as infinisil said.
I don't know about that not mud-slinging defense
Also I'm just going to call a spade a spade and both lix and detnix are hostile forks of github:nixos/nix by definition | 15:54:41 |
| emily | I'm not infinisil and I didn't link infinisil's post | 15:55:21 |
| elikoga | Did I say that? | 15:55:41 |
| emily | if you want to check whether I've engaged in any heated rhetoric on Discourse you can read my post history, though I find it a weird accusation to make with no context: https://discourse.nixos.org/u/emily/activity | 15:55:59 |
 WeetHet | Off-topic: I wonder why I can see this room through mobile element X but not desktop Element | 15:56:04 |
| emily | I'd invite you to read my Matrix message history too, but, well, Matrix search… 🫠 | 15:56:18 |
| emily | I do somewhat regret giving you pointers to fundamental technical issues though since it seems like you're mostly just alluding to personal attacks rather than engaging? :/ | 15:56:49 |
| WeetHet | 
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| WeetHet | Oh, it's because desktop Element insists on calling this room some weird names | 15:57:30 |
| emily | you came out swinging into the void, multiple people have replied to you and politely engaged in good faith, but you haven't turned down the temperature at all or really responded to almost any of it… | 15:57:43 |
| emily | so the accusation of "the other side" as having bad faith feels ironic :( | 15:58:22 |
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| 12 Mar 2025 |
| Adam Neverwas | How do i accept the Android SDK licence from a flake? | 14:26:55 |
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| Adam Neverwas | I was trying with everything. I haven't always done this, but I've been standing on it for two days | 14:29:44 |
| elikoga | From nixpkgs: by setting nixpkgs config option 'android_sdk.accept_license = true;'.
So pkgs = import nixpkgs { system = mySystem; config = {android_sdk.accept_license = true;};};
Or if you're configuring a nixos system, see the nixpkgs.config option.
I am wondering: How is this related to flakes? | 14:30:25 |
