| 9 Mar 2025 |
 emily | I do think that flake internals are weird and buggy enough, and the number of breaking changes resulting from bug fixes that would be considered unacceptable for a stable feature but that would have been awful has been high enough, and continues climbing enough, that were the ecosystem to fork over, say, a declared stability guarantee for exactly one semantics of flakes (already different to the semantics we had one stable version ago), it would be very bad for all parties | 15:48:09 |
| emily | and if you think that both the Nix team, the Lix team, and the Tvix team are colluding to arrive at the position of "stabilizing flakes in a way that doesn't cause huge problems down the line is going to be a delicate process" then… well, anyone managing to establish a robust conspiracy from that coalition might as well be a god, but also I wonder how much time you have actually spent with the codebase? | 15:50:10 |
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 Sandro 🐧 | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
https://discourse.nixos.org/t/experimental-does-not-mean-unstable-detsyss-perspective-on-nix-flakes/32703/2 is another post that summarizes existing issues with flakes That's pretty well written 👍 | 15:51:20 |
| emily | there are political problems of course… for instance, you can probably guess at a reason why the Nix team's communications on this matter are quiet | 15:51:23 |
 elikoga | Enough to feel silly when seeing infinisil complain about coupling of the eval-cache mechanism with flakes.
I can understand criticizing that the name isn't "flake-eval-cache" but as it stands that proposal is not coherent as infinisil said.
I don't know about that not mud-slinging defense
Also I'm just going to call a spade a spade and both lix and detnix are hostile forks of github:nixos/nix by definition | 15:54:41 |
| emily | I'm not infinisil and I didn't link infinisil's post | 15:55:21 |
| elikoga | Did I say that? | 15:55:41 |
| emily | if you want to check whether I've engaged in any heated rhetoric on Discourse you can read my post history, though I find it a weird accusation to make with no context: https://discourse.nixos.org/u/emily/activity | 15:55:59 |
 WeetHet | Off-topic: I wonder why I can see this room through mobile element X but not desktop Element | 15:56:04 |
| emily | I'd invite you to read my Matrix message history too, but, well, Matrix search… 🫠 | 15:56:18 |
| emily | I do somewhat regret giving you pointers to fundamental technical issues though since it seems like you're mostly just alluding to personal attacks rather than engaging? :/ | 15:56:49 |
| WeetHet | 
Download Screenshot 2025-03-09 at 17.57.03.png | 15:57:08 |
| WeetHet | Oh, it's because desktop Element insists on calling this room some weird names | 15:57:30 |
