| 28 Oct 2021 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | I empathically beleive that. | 18:58:46 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * I, empathically, am convinced of that, by now. | 18:59:11 |
 @timdeh:matrix.org | Yes, specifically I have added a section in "future work" for moderating the moderator | 19:00:22 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | values can not be decided by one person | 19:00:28 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | no matter how well intentioned | 19:00:36 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | For example, it is notable that already in several occasions I tried to reach out to him in private only to be forced to put that very fact on public record. And nothing happens. No human to talk to. | 19:00:42 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | Which is why I finally decided an RFC is the only way | 19:00:46 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | Not only that, but individuals are not being moderated equally | 19:01:05 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | If you are of a certain crowd, there seems to be almost nothing you could do to earn your self a mod action, unless I have missed something, which I am always willing to consider | 19:01:37 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Is the mod team trigger happy? | 19:04:28 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | If I was a master politician, my first draft may have been less offensive to some, but that can always be remedy with further revision | 19:04:38 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | what cannot be remedy is the growing derision in this damn community. It's easy to ignore if you are not a party to it, but it's getting hard the more I hear from disparate individuals the following, "I just don't want to say anything". | 19:05:15 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | Not necessarily, but I've seen mod actions on you for example, that when committed by another individual I have in mind who did basically the same thing, no action was taken | 19:05:52 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | to a certain degree, such things are unavoidable, it's really the problem that he seems to deliberately ignore any specific requests in this direction | 19:06:17 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | anyway, my next draft is live, and hopefully specifically addresses the raised concerns | 19:07:43 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | In any case, David Arnold (blaggacao) would you consider starting a separate room so we no longer hijack this one? | 19:08:00 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Yeah, sorry. Won't happen again. | 19:09:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Sorry to all! | 19:09:16 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | ditto, I really am sorry to anyone and everyone who is upset about the actions taken here. Perhaps, in the spirit of my amendments, it is more appropriate to host our own divnix.com matrix anyway, but for the sake of cohesion, maybe the suggested community space could be a future move for this room | 19:14:32 |
 Pacman99 | I read the latest rfc, I still have my concerns. And I see a lot accusations at people, like grahamc and the mod team, with little evidence. Maybe your right and you have good evidence that your not able to share. But based on general history and past experiences, I find it unlikely that your being persecuted or targeted. I'm happy to discuss further somewhere else, I do care about your voice, I'm also just wary of believing accusations like the ones your saying. | 19:23:28 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | It's not my intention to provide evidence | 19:26:47 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | I've had good faith in graham up util the point that he specifically reached out to me, put words in my mouth, and even refused to admit that he then put words in my mouth | 19:27:13 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | this happened in private | 19:27:16 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | You can take it or leave it | 19:27:22 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | If you watch carefully though, as any single individual must necessarily be, his attention can only be focused in directions that particularly concern him | 19:28:12 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | that doesn't require bad faith at all to understand | 19:28:24 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | The community is just too large for a centralized, and at best, highly opinioned moderator | 19:28:57 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | but that's not even what this RFC is about. That is what I discovered after the fact | 19:29:31 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I can testify to that Tim reached out to me spontaniously (after the creation of the RFC) to comment that Graham is trying to put words in his mouth in a private channel. | 19:38:18 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * I can testify to that Tim reached out to me spontaniously (after the creation of the RFC) to comment that Graham is trying to put words in his mouth in a private channel between Tim & Graham. | 19:39:13 |
