| 28 Oct 2021 |
 tomberek | Everyone seems to agree that if the room was "OSX enthusiasts - invite only" that it would be odd and improper for it to exist and operate as part of the org. Or is my assumption wrong? (i'm trying to start from a common baseline) | 18:39:24 |
 Pacman99 | I think thats a good assumption | 18:40:52 |
| tomberek | Okay, and if we were talking about "Security" or "Nixos.org finances" i don't think it would get as heated/divisive. We can have reasonable discussion about exactly how much "lead time" the security channel should have, or if contracting decisions+deliberations by the Org should be public. | 18:42:23 |
| Pacman99 | Aside from this issue, I'm really frustrated even a little angry at the fact that this room was put up as a sacrifice to prove a point. There are so many people involved in this project and you just assumed we were all okay with being dropped as a nixos.org room. I certainly want this room to have official nixos.org support. I'm disappointed that this room was tied to certain opinion in an argument as if we all just agree with your argument. This is specifically towards nrdxp and David Arnold (blaggacao). | 18:45:11 |
| Pacman99 | * Aside from this issue, I'm really frustrated even a little angry at the fact that this room was put up as a sacrifice to prove a point. There are so many people involved in this project and you just assumed we were all okay with being dropped as a nixos.org room. I certainly want this room to have official nixos.org support. I'm disappointed that this room was tied to certain opinion in an argument as if we all just agree with your point. This is specifically towards nrdxp and David Arnold (blaggacao). | 18:45:33 |
 @timdeh:matrix.org | well to be fair pacman, he moved the room before I even asked him to | 18:46:07 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | I am currently extending and redrafting this RFC, as I have clearly hit the wrong note | 18:46:25 |
| Pacman99 | I saw the github discussion he most certainly agreed to your proposal and removed it | 18:46:38 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | the reality though, is that there is a lot of conflict, which is becoming steadier in it's occurrence and bolder in it's execution | 18:46:44 |
| Pacman99 |
I'd like to formally request the removal of the DevOS room from the NixOS Matrix.
Sure, I've taken care of that.
| 18:46:45 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | this is an attempt to stop that once and for all by codifying the primary (not the only) value of the nix community | 18:47:02 |
| Pacman99 | ^ How else am I supposed to interpret that interaction? | 18:47:05 |
| Pacman99 | *
I'd like to formally request the removal of the DevOS room from the NixOS Matrix.
Sure, I've taken care of that.
| 18:47:30 |
| Pacman99 | *
I'd like to formally request the removal of the DevOS room from the NixOS Matrix.
Sure, I've taken care of that.
| 18:47:37 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | but I was still in the process of drafting that post when it was actually removed | 18:47:37 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | It was an attempt, and quite probably a necessary one, to show that I would not make the same sacrifice that I am asking to be made of others | 18:48:28 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | * It was an attempt, and quite probably a necessary one, to show that I would not hesitate to make the same sacrifice that I am asking to be made of others | 18:48:43 |
| Pacman99 | But its not your sacrifice to make! Its not just your room, there are many people here with different opinions. | 18:49:54 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | You are right. I acted hastily, but do you understand what I am being accused of here? | 18:50:13 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | It's not a justification by any means | 18:50:29 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | It's just what happened | 18:50:36 |
| Pacman99 | I'm not entirely sure, I've read through a lot of the discussion and I didn't see an accusation. But if I missed something I'm sorry, can you explain what the accusation is? | 18:51:17 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | In any case, I don't really care if somebody sees me as a biggot for trying to put a stop to this incessant, and in all reality, quite targeted and brazen abuse of power | 18:51:24 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | at this very moment, a prominent member of this community is at risk of being permabanned from github | 18:51:43 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | someone who did not participate in yesterday's RFC | 18:51:54 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | I merely pulled the weeds from under the ground which were already there | 18:52:24 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | I'm not trying to be a fucking hero, I've avoided this shit for months! But it comes down to this, I don't want to work and participate in a community where I am afraid to even talk | 18:53:08 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | As the release manager in a position of leadership, I can only stand idly by so long | 18:54:23 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | I think your acknowledgement of wrong acting putting this room at disposition is comendable. It maybe was a bit hasted. | 18:58:07 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | On the other hand, I don't doubt for one second that GrahamC is sometimes abusing of his power. | 18:58:39 |
