| 8 Sep 2021 |
 tomberek | It (makes) did make a few interesting choices, though as-is - Iām hesitant. Learning from the design and the experience is valuable. Iād like to see flakes used under the hood. (I think it would improve performance and reusability of the library it made). | 12:37:21 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | I have the same feeling, though I saw that in an earlier iteration, they seemed to have had a wrapper around flakes, so I don't know how difficult that would be to reimplement. For many, not embracing flakes might be a show stopper. Otoh, it looks like they did not prioritize this implementation detail over an overall better user experience (no "special" install). | 13:56:59 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I wary, though, what that means for their use of fetchers - which - as I understand it, will eventually be denied within a flake's output function. | 13:57:55 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | For those who remember the nix build issue I reported on a few days ago: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/5227 | 14:50:37 |
| 9 Sep 2021 |
 @princemachiavelli:matrix.org | Just updated my flake.lock... I'm getting this error when trying to build error: attribute 'agenixRoot' missing Anyone have this issue? | 00:31:19 |
 @timdeh:matrix.org | hmm can't say I've seen that yet. Is this a new option in agenix perhaps? | 00:50:02 |
| @princemachiavelli:matrix.org | I don't think so since ryantm/agenix hasn't had any commit since Aug 1st. I'm going to go back and update each flake input individually. | 00:51:33 |
| @princemachiavelli:matrix.org | It seems to break when I update the nixos input. The trace is pretty much all in the nixpkgs/lib code. Seems like something in nixos-unstable is broken. | 01:17:48 |
| @princemachiavelli:matrix.org | Looks like there was a change to the activation scripts around removing users/groups in PR 136605 witch was merged today. This is what fails to evaluate: ${textClosureMap id (withHeadlines) (attrNames withHeadlines)}. Not sure if this is a Nix issue or a Devos issue. | 01:25:07 |
| 10 Sep 2021 |
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| 11 Sep 2021 |
|  andi- joined the room. | 03:29:07 |
| @aynish:sealight.xyz | hello fellow nix nerds, ive been using nixOS for a year or so now, and getting into flakes. switched over to hlissners dotfiles, but wanted to replicate my own config, so im in the process of switching to using devos, nice to meet yall šš½ | 15:45:53 |
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| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Hi aynish! Welcome! Make sure to regard digga as your tool and devos as your template. | 22:31:29 |
| 13 Sep 2021 |
|  Maksim joined the room. | 08:36:01 |
| Maksim | Hi there :-) I'm really curious in exploring digga and devos but hence the amount of abstractions I don't know where to start. Currently I'm using nix to manage my hm config in a wsl context and share the config with a nixos installation on a server, but as it's really brittle (e.G. I have to symlink my home.nix each time I update the config) I'd like to create something more consistent. | 08:39:14 |
| Maksim | what it is this flk vs the digga tool? | 08:39:40 |
| @aynish:sealight.xyz | flk is just a wrapper around nixos-rebuild (iirc) and digga is a standard api for handling flakes. since you'll be combining new derivations (one you create) with ones you consume (that others created) digga makes it easy / standard to only add the former to your outputs, so you're not messing up downstream flakes | 10:53:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Please also note that flk has been superseded by divnix/bud. And alltogether recently fluidattacks/makes popped up the screen, which is fishing structurally in a similar pond ar bud (just not specifically made to interact with a system configuration). | 13:50:31 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Please also note that `flk` has been superseded by `divnix/bud`. And alltogether recently `fluidattacks/makes` popped up the screen, which is fishing structurally in a similar pond as `bud`, just not specifically made to interact with a system configuration. | 13:51:09 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Please also note that `flk` has been superseded by `divnix/bud`. And alltogether recently `fluidattacks/makes` popped up the screen, which is fishing structurally in a similar pond as `bud`, namely a task runner with a CLI store-front, just not specifically made to interact with a system configuration. | 13:51:48 |
| 15 Sep 2021 |
| yusdacra | Is makes as modular as `bud`? What I love about `bud` is that you can create commands for it using anything you want and share it easily. Maybe `makes` could be used together with `bud`? | 06:50:10 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | To me it looks like makes is a generalized version of bud. Makes is a devops task runner, bud is a devos task runner. | 13:03:37 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * To me it looks like `makes` is a generalized version of `bud`. Makes is a devops task runner, bud is a devos task runner. | 13:03:49 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe it's ok if they remain siblings. š | 13:04:25 |
 @gytis-ivaskevicius:matrix.org | I think we should build a single generalized approach which would be a "task runner" and could be used as alternative to bud and makes | 13:31:28 |
| @gytis-ivaskevicius:matrix.org | š | 13:31:30 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Indeed! I would tend to say that would be makes, though. I'm just exploring it these days, but it seems relatively generalizable. For example, I was musing about a scheduler / orchestrator interface, so that "tasks" can ultimately include "production workloads" on one hand or "pipeline jobs" on the other, such as CI jobs, ML jobs or ETL jobs. | 13:35:05 |
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| @infinidoge:matrix.org | Hello! Have been trying to get into using DevOS for a little while now, however recently I've run into problems with things apparently not being found.
Currently, I'm having an issue where it seems like any command building something (bud build, bud vm, etc.) give an error saying that reboundBud was undefined. (Specifically, in /nix/store/xxzcdd9xcfi7sapi1hwjjx8mxb2b00x2-source/nixosModule.nix) Being unable to build a vm for testing, or even an ISO for installing, has prevented me from moving forward. Is there any known way to address this as a problem? (For clarity, I am currently running on an Arch Linux machine with Nix installed.)
Aside from that, I'm also having issues where when starting nix develop, agenix and nvfetcher-bin were undefined. I worked around this by commenting them out from shell/devos.nix, however since I haven't needed to use them so far that is less pressing. (This problem occurs both on my Arch Linux machine and my NixOS machine.)
I've tried to dig around and find why these all aren't defined, but I have gotten nowhere in my search so far. I can provide any system information as needed.
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