| 30 Jul 2021 |
 @timdeh:matrix.org | What you refer to as DevOS is in fact Nix Debugging/DevOS 🤓 | 16:50:35 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | If we are a nixos nursery, we need to definitly empower users as much as possible. 😎 | 16:50:44 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Which makes me think of adding a section to the docs for debugging... | 16:51:33 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Which makes me think of adding a section to the docs for (teaching) debugging... | 16:51:44 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I'd rather be an enabler than a fixer. | 16:52:32 |
 @gytis-ivaskevicius:matrix.org | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org
Gytis Ivaskevicius has made a PR to nix to eventually improve that situation. if you are talking about builtins.debug - dont expect it to get merged :D | 16:53:20 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | d4hines: hopefully our little Nix debugging venting session is useful for your future endeavors 😛 | 16:57:56 |
 d4hines | Yeah, this looks like helpful info but I don't have the context to place it yet | 16:58:18 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I think another journyman status standard move is rg 'someThingThatINeedToUnderstand =' <path to nixpkgs> | 16:59:45 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * I think another journeyman status standard move is rg 'someThingThatINeedToUnderstand =' <path to nixpkgs> | 17:00:08 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * I think another journeyman status standard move is rg 'someThingThatINeedToUnderstand =' <path to nixpkgs> (but there might be an improved version of that move?) | 17:00:34 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * I think another journeyman status standard move is rg -A 3 'someThingThatINeedToUnderstand =' <path to nixpkgs> (but there might be an improved version of that move?) | 17:00:55 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * I think another journeyman status standard move is rg -C 3 'someThingThatINeedToUnderstand =' <path to nixpkgs> (but there might be an improved version of that move?) | 17:01:03 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | I use that one quite a bit as well, don't think there is a better one except maybe manix? | 17:03:26 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | Which reminds me, one of our colleagues recently spruced up the old manix integrated fork of rnix-lsp if it's useful to anyone:
https://github.com/kreisys/rnix-lsp | 17:08:15 |
 yusdacra | In reply to @timdeh:matrix.org
I use that one quite a bit as well, don't think there is a better one except maybe manix? Using manix with skim / fzf is quite nice | 17:11:50 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | yeah but it doesn't always seem to find everything I'm looking for unfortunately, but otherwise I agree completely | 17:35:02 |
 @kraftnix:matrix.org | speaking of debugging bud repl has been definitely increased my debugging speed | 18:48:57 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | on another topic, since we include earlyoom by default in the devos core profile. does anyone here you ZFS, i am using ZFS on root and constantly getting bitten by earlyoom not working with ZFS arc (see https://github.com/rfjakob/earlyoom/pull/191). does anyone have a workaround? my current workaround is migrating all my systems from zfs on root to btrfs on root... | 18:51:13 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | * on another topic, since we include earlyoom by default in the devos core profile. does anyone here use ZFS, i am using ZFS on root and constantly getting bitten by earlyoom not working with ZFS arc (see https://github.com/rfjakob/earlyoom/pull/191). does anyone have a workaround? my current workaround is migrating all my systems from zfs on root to btrfs on root... | 18:51:29 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | it's really sad watching my 128GB RAM workstation kill my qemu VMs because earlyoom doesn't interact with ZFS ARC :( | 18:56:25 |
| d4hines | On the topic of escape hatches and onborading, do you think I could get a lot of the benefit of devos by basically using it as a way of interacting with home-manager on, say, an Arch linux installation? | 21:18:58 |
| d4hines | That way I can always fall back to the native package manager and my teammates are never waiting on me to figure out Nix. | 21:19:47 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | i've been thinking about that as a way to introduce nixos to some friends tbh | 21:19:55 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | imagine pointing at a devos community profile and saying, install arch, install nix, run this and checkout this cool home-manager profile with my vim/tmux/fzf setup | 21:20:36 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | imho devos is such a nice experience to start nix, especially if you're not doing anything too complex / can work off other peoples profiles | 21:21:35 |
| d4hines | I think I'll give this a shot. I'll be sad to lose out on the deep system-level declarations, but after talking with my tech lead about it, I'm just not strong enough in Nix/Linux/our toolchain to be certain I can always keep up. Using just the home-manager part might be a nice compromise. | 21:23:42 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | yeah, for shell related stuff it seems like a good way, but tbh i'm not sure how i would integrate my GDM/sway etc. setup into arch nicely, although maybe it won't be as hard as i'm thinking | 21:26:01 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | anyway on another topic, has anyone had issues with nix flake check when you have a lot of hosts? I've found the python vm test coredumping more as I've added more hosts (and will just pass if I rerun the twice with half the hosts each), systemd-coredump points to the pid of one of the python tests and contains systemd-coredump[134485]: Resource limits disable core dumping for process 123011 (python3). | 21:31:15 |
| @kraftnix:matrix.org | * anyway on another topic, has anyone had issues with nix flake check when you have a lot of hosts? I've found the python vm test coredumping more as I've added more hosts (and will just pass if I rerun them twice with half the hosts each), systemd-coredump points to the pid of one of the python tests and contains systemd-coredump[134485]: Resource limits disable core dumping for process 123011 (python3).
i'm guessing theres some resource limits, but i'm not sure where they might be of for what service (perhaps nix daemon)?
| 21:32:36 |
