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5 Mar 2025
@Ericson2314:matrix.orgJohn EricsonI sent to @edef1c too17:27:02
@puck:puck.moepuck
In reply to @roberthensing:matrix.org
John Ericson: I've suggested to treat the Nixpkgs "fix" for the CA placeholder issue (no storedir prefix) as a workaround as ca-derivations is experimental https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/386774#pullrequestreview-2660479310
builtins.placeholder has the same "issue", though i like them not being /nix/store-prefixed because it disambiguates that their format is unstable
17:31:38
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)That one isn't experimental, so we'd need a very very good reason to change that anyway17:33:35
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI don't suppose Nix strings support NUL bytes in them so that we could properly separate the namespace from actual filesystem paths? in the same way abstract Unix sockets do17:33:47
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)Also isn't user-handled as much as outputs are17:34:04
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)Evaluator strings are C strings. This could be changed to something with a length, but we're not in a hurry. I guess one of those separator control characters could serve the same role, but I feel that it'd be weird to do any of that (regardless of choice of byte value)17:35:50
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyNUL is the only byte that is actually guaranteed to not be allowed on Linux anyway (though of course other platforms exist too)17:38:44
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyso no advantage to anything else17:38:48
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@elvishjerricco:matrix.orgElvishJerriccoI'm going to make this comment here because I think it is one of the most important things I've said in the world of NixOS. Please read this comment: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/determinate-nix-3-0/61202/5721:33:50
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@fzakaria:one.ems.hostfzakariaTrying to figure out dynamic derivations; I'd appreciate some tips06:07:58
@fzakaria:one.ems.hostfzakariaHitting some weird road blocks with what I think would work.06:08:14
@fzakaria:one.ems.hostfzakaria

Like:

warning: Ignoring dynamic derivation /nix/store/8apg4x2xbcx83xc0p1jk1qdiihkmhjyg-hello-2.12.1.drv.drv^out while querying missing paths; not yet implemented
error: Building dynamic derivations in one shot is not yet implemented.
06:08:22
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekYou might need a wrapping drv for now. 06:20:45
@fzakaria:one.ems.hostfzakariaHere is my strawman https://pastebin.com/wnHmj4pW06:46:30
@fzakaria:one.ems.hostfzakariai think it's a wrapping drv?06:46:36
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@jacek:poz.petdeprecated, moved to @poz:poz.pethey, I added the modulo operator to nix: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/12617 I'd be grateful for any reviews, likes under the PR or advice on how to get it merged quick (I've seen a lot of PRs be untouched for a long time and I'm not hopeful for mine)12:36:10
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@weethet:catgirl.cloudWeetHet

https://discourse.nixos.org/t/determinate-nix-3-0/61202/80

Pure eval doesn’t exist outside of flakes (unfortunately), that flag is more or less a broken promise.

I wonder what was meant by that? Does it mean that nix-build --pure-eval doesn't actually perform evaluation purely?

17:55:04
@weethet:catgirl.cloudWeetHet I don't think you can break evaluation purity with pure-eval 17:55:47
@weethet:catgirl.cloudWeetHet

And it's not like it's that difficult to use, I've ran nix darwin using this script for a couple of months just fine

{ pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> { }
, writeShellScriptBin ? pkgs.writeScriptBin
, directory
, ...
}:
writeShellScriptBin "darwin-rebuild-npins" ''
  set -eo pipefail

  pushd ${directory} > /dev/null

  echo "building the system configuration..."
  system=$(nix-instantiate --eval --expr builtins.currentSystem | tr -d \")
  systemConfig=$(nix-build --pure-eval --no-out-link --argstr system $system --argstr name $(hostname) --expr "import (
    builtins.path {
      path = \"$(pwd)\";
      sha256 = \"$(nix-hash --type sha256 --base32 .)\";
    }
  )" | tee /dev/tty)

  profile=/nix/var/nix/profiles/system

  if [ "$USER" != root ] && [ ! -w $(dirname "$profile") ]; then
    sudo nix-env -p "$profile" --set "$systemConfig"
  else
    nix-env -p "$profile" --set "$systemConfig"
  fi

  "$systemConfig/activate-user"
  if [ "$USER" != root ]; then
    sudo "$systemConfig/activate"
  else
    "$systemConfig/activate"
  fi

  popd > /dev/null
''
17:57:44
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilya lot of things that user posts are wrong. you do have to copy your sources with pure eval though, which sort of reduces to being flakes in many ways people care about17:57:56

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