| 12 Jun 2025 |
 Jan Tojnar | systemd generates services for desktop files in $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/autostart | 08:32:41 |
| Jan Tojnar | (among other paths) | 08:33:20 |
| Jan Tojnar | IIRC gnome-software has autostart file so that it can notify you of updates | 08:33:55 |
| Jan Tojnar | though we only install it if you have flatpak installed, you can use environment.gnome.excludePackages to not install it if you do not use it | 08:35:18 |
 uep | ah. I looked to see if I had the same, and it was nowhere to be seen. | 08:36:32 |
| uep | So, yeah, confirmation that this works. It may be slightly too magic, but it works. | 08:37:44 |
|  sugi changed their profile picture. | 11:54:42 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | I just saw this in the GTK room: https://pad.gnome.org/lB9NBpwCSmKEzZIVve__Vg#
How will this work for nix? Currently glycin directly depends on gtk4, which directly depends on gdk-pixbuf, which probably should depend on glycin. | 21:19:07 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | which means we have a cyclic dependency. How do we break it? | 21:19:23 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | supposedly glycin would be cycle-free, but our package wouldn't be. SO some work required! | 21:28:07 |
 emily | usually we just have a separate bootstrap version of a package that omits the problematic dependency | 21:32:51 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | So i had a chat with the glycin people, and supposedly it is cycle-free in gnomeOS | 21:35:30 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | so we can probably break the cycle somehow | 21:35:39 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | (likely more precise meson flags to better split glycin across packages) | 21:36:00 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | i can poke tomorrow. Which is basically a rewrite of the glycin package from scratch, to properly split it and avoid cyclic deps, then feed libglycin to gdk-pixbuf and feed glycin-loaders (the runtime dep) to wrapGAppsHook | 21:39:53 |
 jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.de
i can poke tomorrow. Which is basically a rewrite of the glycin package from scratch, to properly split it and avoid cyclic deps, then feed libglycin to gdk-pixbuf and feed glycin-loaders (the runtime dep) to wrapGAppsHook There's two PRs on splitting glycin on nixpkgs right now (one of them by me) | 22:36:43 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | Oh hey! | 22:37:17 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.de
i can poke tomorrow. Which is basically a rewrite of the glycin package from scratch, to properly split it and avoid cyclic deps, then feed libglycin to gdk-pixbuf and feed glycin-loaders (the runtime dep) to wrapGAppsHook * | 22:37:19 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | Will check that out then | 22:37:22 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | is it sufficiently split to use libglycin in gdk-pixbuf? I think that should be the ultimate goal | 22:37:43 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | I'm not sure what the best course of action would be for organizing around cyclical deps. | 22:37:56 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | I don't know if my PR is what you're looking for | 22:38:37 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | In theory libglycin needs to build without gtk4 in the closure | 22:38:50 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | and glycin-loaders can be added at runtime using the wrapGAppsHook | 22:39:04 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | (or e.g. standard paths in /etc, the way systemd/dbus avoid cyclic deps) | 22:39:33 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.de
In theory libglycin needs to build without gtk4 in the closure Yeah I would be stumped on how to do this | 22:42:40 |
| 13 Jun 2025 |
 Andrew | Speaking of autostart, I've noticed at least 2 or 3 times I logged in and all my autostart apps just straight up didn't launch, so I had to re-log in. But I think a few that were run from systemd unit, did still run. I would've never thought that autostart is so unreliable. | 01:13:06 |
| Andrew | I have only one hunch: it might only happen randomly if I don't provide a correct password on the first try. I feel like I see this only when I fail at least once. | 01:14:10 |
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| 15 Jun 2025 |
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