| 8 Jun 2025 |
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 jasi 🏳️⚧️ | https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/08/the-x11-session-removal/ | 17:12:08 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ |
If you are a distributor, please try to not change the default or at least let us (or me directly) know why you’d need to still ship the X11 session.
| 17:12:30 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | So I guess that would settle it | 17:12:40 |
| 10 Jun 2025 |
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| 12 Jun 2025 |
 Andrew | Why is this being generated?
# Automatically generated by systemd-xdg-autostart-generator
[Unit]
Documentation=man:systemd-xdg-autostart-generator(8)
SourcePath=/run/current-system/sw/etc/xdg/autostart/org.gnome.Software.desktop
PartOf=graphical-session.target
Description=GNOME Software
After=graphical-session.target
[Service]
Type=exec
ExitType=cgroup
ExecStart=:/nix/store/b17j92apif2l5ldz11qi8wp3k87qvshx-gnome-software-47.4/bin/gnome-software --gapplication-service
Restart=no
TimeoutStopSec=5s
Slice=app.slice
ExecCondition=/nix/store/b2cfj7yk3wfg1jdwjzim7306hvsc5gnl-systemd-257.3/lib/systemd/systemd-xdg-autostart-condition "GNOME:Unity" "Budgie"
| 01:34:41 |
| Andrew | I manage software myself, why would it spin up this process that hogs almost 400 MiB for nothing? | 01:37:18 |
 Jan Tojnar | systemd generates services for desktop files in $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/autostart | 08:32:41 |
| Jan Tojnar | (among other paths) | 08:33:20 |
| Jan Tojnar | IIRC gnome-software has autostart file so that it can notify you of updates | 08:33:55 |
| Jan Tojnar | though we only install it if you have flatpak installed, you can use environment.gnome.excludePackages to not install it if you do not use it | 08:35:18 |
 uep | ah. I looked to see if I had the same, and it was nowhere to be seen. | 08:36:32 |
| uep | So, yeah, confirmation that this works. It may be slightly too magic, but it works. | 08:37:44 |
|  tokudan changed their profile picture. | 11:54:42 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | I just saw this in the GTK room: https://pad.gnome.org/lB9NBpwCSmKEzZIVve__Vg#
How will this work for nix? Currently glycin directly depends on gtk4, which directly depends on gdk-pixbuf, which probably should depend on glycin. | 21:19:07 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | which means we have a cyclic dependency. How do we break it? | 21:19:23 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | supposedly glycin would be cycle-free, but our package wouldn't be. SO some work required! | 21:28:07 |
 emily | usually we just have a separate bootstrap version of a package that omits the problematic dependency | 21:32:51 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | So i had a chat with the glycin people, and supposedly it is cycle-free in gnomeOS | 21:35:30 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | so we can probably break the cycle somehow | 21:35:39 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | (likely more precise meson flags to better split glycin across packages) | 21:36:00 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | i can poke tomorrow. Which is basically a rewrite of the glycin package from scratch, to properly split it and avoid cyclic deps, then feed libglycin to gdk-pixbuf and feed glycin-loaders (the runtime dep) to wrapGAppsHook | 21:39:53 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.de
i can poke tomorrow. Which is basically a rewrite of the glycin package from scratch, to properly split it and avoid cyclic deps, then feed libglycin to gdk-pixbuf and feed glycin-loaders (the runtime dep) to wrapGAppsHook There's two PRs on splitting glycin on nixpkgs right now (one of them by me) | 22:36:43 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | Oh hey! | 22:37:17 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.de
i can poke tomorrow. Which is basically a rewrite of the glycin package from scratch, to properly split it and avoid cyclic deps, then feed libglycin to gdk-pixbuf and feed glycin-loaders (the runtime dep) to wrapGAppsHook * | 22:37:19 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | Will check that out then | 22:37:22 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | is it sufficiently split to use libglycin in gdk-pixbuf? I think that should be the ultimate goal | 22:37:43 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | I'm not sure what the best course of action would be for organizing around cyclical deps. | 22:37:56 |
