| 25 May 2025 |
 jasi 🏳️⚧️ | My main concern is just that we should give users a heads up that the xorg session will be removed | 23:11:05 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * My main concern is just that I think nixos should give users a heads up that the xorg session will be removed. | 23:11:25 |
 emily | In reply to @normalcea:matrix.org
plasma5 is still kept in nixpkgs it is due for immediate removal for 25.11 | 23:18:13 |
| 26 May 2025 |
 uep | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
it already makes little sense for it to be there so I imagine that's an orthogonal migration It's technically orthogonal, but a good opportunity for user visibility to make the naming change and give people time to think about other config adjustments before the upgrade | 21:58:27 |
| emily | maybe. I imagine most GNOME users are already on Wayland so most of the disruption would be unnecessary (but the option migration should happen at some point anyway so shrug) | 22:28:52 |
| uep | i mean i've used wayland-only for, i dunno, 10+ years at the very least | 22:56:13 |
| 27 May 2025 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * ~~Ubuntu also includes file-roller in their GNOME much to the chagrin of upstream as it is relatively unmaintained. ~~ | 00:45:32 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * Ubuntu also includes file-roller in their GNOME much to the chagrin of upstream as it is relatively unmaintained. | 00:45:38 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * That also reminds me that programs.file-roller is enabled in nixos/modules/services/x11/desktop-managers/gnome.nix | 00:45:47 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * Is there a special Nix reason for that, because it's not part of core apps and upstream has moved onto using nautilus for archive unpacking. | 00:45:54 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * afaik fedora does not include file-roller | 00:46:01 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | I wish I could do wayland-only, but so much stuff still uses xwayland... And not looking like that'll change soon. 10 years wayland-only is impressive. *HOW*? | 08:27:47 |
| uep | oh, i'm sure some things have been using xwayland, especially early on. I mean in terms of what's actually driving the hardware | 08:40:46 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | Oh ok | 08:43:04 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | I recently started writing nix overlay stacks to drop x11 from my closures completely - my understanding of "watland-only" changed from that... | 08:43:48 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | * I recently started writing nix overlay stacks to drop x11 from my closures completely - my understanding of "wayland-only" changed from that... | 08:44:16 |
 Alyssa Ross | I only very rarely use X11 anything. Mostly if I need to get Element out for something. | 08:45:16 |
| Alyssa Ross | I don't have Xwayland disabled but easily could, especially because I assume there's a way to make Element use Wayland. | 08:45:43 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | In reply to @qyliss:fairydust.space
I don't have Xwayland disabled but easily could, especially because I assume there's a way to make Element use Wayland. Yeah, the nixos ozone wayland env var is what you want for that | 08:53:32 |
| uep | yeah, i have that set | 08:54:32 |
| uep | these days i'm not sure anything would use xwayland, and I'd like to know about it if it did, but I haven't disabled it | 08:55:15 |
| uep | not even for x11 forwarding that I recall using in a long time, mostly waypipe is fine | 08:56:47 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | I run sway with a custom tmux-inspired window switcher. Hitting tab gives me all the into on window/workspace/display, including whether it runs xwayland or xdg_shell. These days steam is the only thing running xwayland. | 09:03:14 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | And freecad, by default - needs freecad-qt6 or freecad-wayland... | 09:04:01 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | Isn't Nvidia one of the main reasons for people still on Xorg nowadays? | 15:55:20 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | There's no real data on this either so 🥲 | 15:55:46 |
 SigmaSquadron | a11y is also a big reason afaik. | 16:45:33 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @sigmasquadron:matrix.org
a11y is also a big reason afaik. Yes, that too, but that's a desktop-agnostic issue, not just related to GNOME | 17:26:23 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | I think DIY distributions like NixOS should still offer the xorg session until it's fully deprecated in upstream. | 17:28:24 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | It also allows for nixpkgs to alert users of GNOME xorg session removal | 17:28:59 |
