| 25 May 2025 |
 emily | In reply to @normalcea:matrix.org
Upstream will drop it at GNOME 50, so nixpkgs should just follow upstream in that case. but disabled at compile time by default in 49. | 22:45:29 |
| emily | so dropping support is path of least resistance unless we want to add a feature flag that will disappear one release later | 22:45:48 |
| emily | that's why Fedora made that decision | 22:45:55 |
| emily | the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired | 22:46:20 |
 jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired Is gnome going to stay in the xserver namespace by then? | 22:47:31 |
| emily | it already makes little sense for it to be there so I imagine that's an orthogonal migration | 22:48:12 |
| emily | iirc there's an open issue about that | 22:48:18 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | That also reminds me that programs.file-roller is enabled in nixos/modules/services/x11/desktop-managers/gnome.nix | 22:52:02 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | Is there a special Nix reason for that, because it's not part of core apps and upstream has moved onto using nautilus for archive unpacking. | 22:52:25 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | Ubuntu also includes file-roller in their GNOME much to the chagrin of upstream as it is relatively unmaintained. | 22:53:30 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | afaik fedora does not include file-roller | 22:54:01 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired I think for nixos users, 25.11 can include the xorg session and then 26.05 can fully remove it, so it gives a buffer period to prepare migrating. | 22:58:10 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired * I think for nixos users, 25.11 can include the xorg session and then 26.05 can fully remove it, so it gives a buffer period to prepare migrating. | 22:58:25 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired * I think for nixos users, 25.11 can include the xorg session and then 26.05 can fully remove it which gives a buffer period for user migration. | 22:59:08 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | plasma5 is still kept in nixpkgs | 23:07:13 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | My main concern is just that we should give users a heads up that the xorg session will be removed | 23:11:05 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * My main concern is just that I think nixos should give users a heads up that the xorg session will be removed. | 23:11:25 |
| emily | In reply to @normalcea:matrix.org
plasma5 is still kept in nixpkgs it is due for immediate removal for 25.11 | 23:18:13 |
| 26 May 2025 |
 uep | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
it already makes little sense for it to be there so I imagine that's an orthogonal migration It's technically orthogonal, but a good opportunity for user visibility to make the naming change and give people time to think about other config adjustments before the upgrade | 21:58:27 |
| emily | maybe. I imagine most GNOME users are already on Wayland so most of the disruption would be unnecessary (but the option migration should happen at some point anyway so shrug) | 22:28:52 |
| uep | i mean i've used wayland-only for, i dunno, 10+ years at the very least | 22:56:13 |
| 27 May 2025 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * ~~Ubuntu also includes file-roller in their GNOME much to the chagrin of upstream as it is relatively unmaintained. ~~ | 00:45:32 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * Ubuntu also includes file-roller in their GNOME much to the chagrin of upstream as it is relatively unmaintained. | 00:45:38 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * That also reminds me that programs.file-roller is enabled in nixos/modules/services/x11/desktop-managers/gnome.nix | 00:45:47 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * Is there a special Nix reason for that, because it's not part of core apps and upstream has moved onto using nautilus for archive unpacking. | 00:45:54 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * afaik fedora does not include file-roller | 00:46:01 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | I wish I could do wayland-only, but so much stuff still uses xwayland... And not looking like that'll change soon. 10 years wayland-only is impressive. *HOW*? | 08:27:47 |
| uep | oh, i'm sure some things have been using xwayland, especially early on. I mean in terms of what's actually driving the hardware | 08:40:46 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | Oh ok | 08:43:04 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | I recently started writing nix overlay stacks to drop x11 from my closures completely - my understanding of "watland-only" changed from that... | 08:43:48 |
