| 25 May 2025 |
 emily | did GTK 5 already drop X11? | 10:46:41 |
| emily | (…did GTK 5 already come out?) | 10:48:02 |
 hustlerone | GTK5 is the equivalent of sixth generation cellular | 12:01:38 |
| hustlerone | it doesn't exist and all we can do is speculate | 12:02:10 |
| hustlerone | it also makes sense that x11 is going away since many features are wayland only | 12:02:48 |
| emily | well I think they announced X11 is going away for 5 | 13:11:24 |
|  katja (she/her) joined the room. | 13:45:42 |
|  katja (she/her) left the room. | 13:50:29 |
 jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
X11 session going away in GNOME 49. I guess we'll follow? Upstream will drop it at GNOME 50, so nixpkgs should just follow upstream in that case. | 15:28:24 |
| emily | In reply to @normalcea:matrix.org
Upstream will drop it at GNOME 50, so nixpkgs should just follow upstream in that case. but disabled at compile time by default in 49. | 22:45:29 |
| emily | so dropping support is path of least resistance unless we want to add a feature flag that will disappear one release later | 22:45:48 |
| emily | that's why Fedora made that decision | 22:45:55 |
| emily | the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired | 22:46:20 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired Is gnome going to stay in the xserver namespace by then? | 22:47:31 |
| emily | it already makes little sense for it to be there so I imagine that's an orthogonal migration | 22:48:12 |
| emily | iirc there's an open issue about that | 22:48:18 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | That also reminds me that programs.file-roller is enabled in nixos/modules/services/x11/desktop-managers/gnome.nix | 22:52:02 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | Is there a special Nix reason for that, because it's not part of core apps and upstream has moved onto using nautilus for archive unpacking. | 22:52:25 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | Ubuntu also includes file-roller in their GNOME much to the chagrin of upstream as it is relatively unmaintained. | 22:53:30 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | afaik fedora does not include file-roller | 22:54:01 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired I think for nixos users, 25.11 can include the xorg session and then 26.05 can fully remove it, so it gives a buffer period to prepare migrating. | 22:58:10 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired * I think for nixos users, 25.11 can include the xorg session and then 26.05 can fully remove it, so it gives a buffer period to prepare migrating. | 22:58:25 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
the other alternative is to diverge from upstream and turn it on by default which I doubt is desired * I think for nixos users, 25.11 can include the xorg session and then 26.05 can fully remove it which gives a buffer period for user migration. | 22:59:08 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | plasma5 is still kept in nixpkgs | 23:07:13 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | My main concern is just that we should give users a heads up that the xorg session will be removed | 23:11:05 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * My main concern is just that I think nixos should give users a heads up that the xorg session will be removed. | 23:11:25 |
| emily | In reply to @normalcea:matrix.org
plasma5 is still kept in nixpkgs it is due for immediate removal for 25.11 | 23:18:13 |
| 26 May 2025 |
 uep | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
it already makes little sense for it to be there so I imagine that's an orthogonal migration It's technically orthogonal, but a good opportunity for user visibility to make the naming change and give people time to think about other config adjustments before the upgrade | 21:58:27 |
| emily | maybe. I imagine most GNOME users are already on Wayland so most of the disruption would be unnecessary (but the option migration should happen at some point anyway so shrug) | 22:28:52 |
| uep | i mean i've used wayland-only for, i dunno, 10+ years at the very least | 22:56:13 |
