| 15 Nov 2025 |
 Capypara | It's a mutter bug | 21:04:51 |
| Capypara | got confirmation from the GNOME matrix channel | 21:04:57 |
| Capypara | fixed in 49.1.1 | 21:04:59 |
| Capypara | mutter kills it's own process instead of the background app, lol | 21:05:15 |
| Capypara | Redacted or Malformed Event | 21:07:03 |
| Capypara | wait, we are on 49.1.1 | 21:08:24 |
| Capypara | for fucks sake | 21:18:25 |
| Capypara | it's a Flatpak bug actually | 21:18:29 |
| Capypara | https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/pull/6375 | 21:18:30 |
| Capypara | Can also reproduce it under Fedora | 21:19:04 |
| Capypara | I just always run into the most cursed bugs somehow. | 21:19:49 |
| Capypara | I don't understand how the Linux desktop seemingly gets more broken every year, like what even | 21:21:34 |
| Capypara | I don't know much about how systemd slices/targets etc. actually work, but I guess the shell is running as PID 0 in some kind of PID namespace? Does systemd have no features to prevent a child process to send a SIGKILL in this context? | 21:25:56 |
 K900 | No | 21:26:22 |
| K900 | kill(0) is shortcut for "kill everything" | 21:26:36 |
| Capypara | Ahh right, right, I forgot. That's whats going on, of course. | 21:26:52 |
| Capypara | 0 kills everything. root PID is 1. | 21:27:04 |
| Capypara | Still crazy that's possible, but yeah I understand why. | 21:27:22 |
| 16 Nov 2025 |
|  jopejoe1 joined the room. | 20:52:27 |
| jopejoe1 | Just camme across https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs%2Ftop-level%2Fall-packages.nix#L13319-L13330 and was wondering if need all of these versions of gnomeExtensions? | 20:57:02 |
| jopejoe1 | * | 21:00:34 |
 jasi 🏳️⚧️ | Might be useful for Nix on non-NixOS with older GNOME releases. | 22:48:16 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * Might be useful for Nix on non-NixOS (presumanbly via home-manager) with older GNOME releases. | 22:48:51 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | NixOS users will just use the unqualified attributes instead. | 22:50:48 |
| jopejoe1 | There are still releases from 2020 in that list, so not sure how usefull they would be even on non nixos | 22:57:34 |
| jopejoe1 | * | 22:58:12 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | GNOME 3.28 was Debian 11 (now in LTS) and Ubuntu 22.04 is GNOME 42. | 23:06:08 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | So pretty old | 23:06:55 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | * | 23:08:21 |
| jasi 🏳️⚧️ | Debian 11 goes EOL next year in August, so we can probably remove attributes 38-41 in the next NixOS release, and Ubuntu 22.04 ends maintainence (minus security updates) in 2027. | 23:10:43 |
