| 14 Nov 2024 |
 ElvishJerricco | I'm intending to add a boot entry to the ISO to force it to boot into x11 and I'm wondering if I also need to do the same for wayland or if the default boot entry already does that | 17:22:14 |
 emily | why add forced X11? | 17:24:37 |
| emily | it's basically deprecated on GNOME | 17:24:40 |
| emily | e.g., Fedora is removing Xorg support for GNOME AIUI | 17:25:04 |
| ElvishJerricco | emily: at the very least I want to test it with some people who suggested the ISO wouldn't launch the DE with wayland | 17:31:05 |
| ElvishJerricco | but yea it's likely wayland isn't truly the issue | 17:31:28 |
| emily | on GNOME I am not sure it is something we could support for long | 17:31:29 |
| emily | consider https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/-/merge_requests/98 | 17:31:55 |
| emily | not merged, but the direction is clear | 17:31:58 |
| emily | * not merged (yet), but the direction is clear | 17:32:01 |
| ElvishJerricco | well, then we definitely need to track down why the ISO is failing to start with wayland for some people | 17:32:26 |
| emily | also, I think the graphical installer would still install a (broken?) Wayland system | 17:32:28 |
| emily | yes, agreed with that :) | 17:32:32 |
| emily | just don't want to be pointing people towards an ~unmaintained codebase that upstreams are killing off | 17:32:56 |
| ElvishJerricco | I didn't realize it was being actively killed. I thought it was going to be around for a long while still | 17:34:34 |
| emily | well, the bits of the code that Xwayland (and a few other such servers) depend on are going to be maintained indefinitely | 17:36:56 |
| emily | but the other servers are basically on life support | 17:37:06 |
| emily | I imagine they'll continue getting security fixes / critical bug fixes for longer than GNOME/KDE/distros/etc. will actively ship them to users | 17:37:34 |
| emily | but they're very much basic maintenance mode already and that's only going to decrease | 17:37:45 |
| emily | Xorg devs have moved on to Wayland at this point | 17:38:03 |
| 15 Nov 2024 |
|  frontear joined the room. | 05:53:09 |
