| 23 Jul 2022 |
 Chris McDonough | maybe not nobody, but not me anyway :) | 17:42:14 |
 sjfloat | And probably not for low latency. | 17:42:30 |
| Chris McDonough | i have all those musnix rtc things set up in my config and i don't notice any ill effect | 17:43:06 |
| Chris McDonough | i think your thing with chrome you gotta dig into; i use firefox or i would help | 17:43:42 |
| sjfloat | The thing that's troubling me right now is that, having switched to pipewire, my browser is really struggling -- almost unusable sometimes. | 17:44:09 |
| Chris McDonough | i cant say ive noticed any difference in firefox since i switched to pipewire.. still plays youtube fine without undue struggle, etc | 17:44:37 |
| sjfloat | Another things is that I'd like to run dedicated audio things on rpi where I'll be trying to squeeze all the performance I can out of it. | 17:46:13 |
| sjfloat | I'd like to be able to do that with NixOS. | 17:46:22 |
| sjfloat | And some of my gear is old. | 17:46:53 |
| Chris McDonough | well, maybe one thing to try is that, like, youtube has "stats for nerds" when you play a video | 17:46:57 |
| Chris McDonough | maybe just see what that says under firefox vs chrome? | 17:47:09 |
| sjfloat | It's not limited to while I'm playing youtube. | 17:47:22 |
| Chris McDonough | sure, its just a useful profiling tool | 17:47:40 |
| sjfloat | At any rate, I have need of a configuration with neither pipewire nor pulseaudio. | 17:48:24 |
| sjfloat | I need to work out what the minimal audio config is in configuration.nix. The rest I'd like to do at the user level. | 17:49:18 |
| sjfloat | There are jack-related tools that I use that will likely never work with pipewire. | 17:50:04 |
| Chris McDonough | 
Download statsfornerds.png | 17:50:07 |
| Chris McDonough | here's what i see under chrome with pipewire | 17:50:07 |
| sjfloat | I don't generally have problems with youtube performance, per se, once it's running. | 17:51:12 |
| Chris McDonough | maybe it's just a missing codec for whatever you're viewing and the CPU has to do more work? | 17:51:58 |
| sjfloat | But it takes much longer to render the page. | 17:52:02 |
| sjfloat | Maybe, yeah. | 17:52:08 |
| Chris McDonough | i mean it would seem totally unrelated to sound if it's just general slowness without media | 17:52:30 |
| sjfloat | Well, probably not. Again, it's not the audio visual performance that's giving me troub.e | 17:52:36 |
| sjfloat | Well, it could be whatever wireplumber's doing to wire things up. That's dynamic with pipewire. | 17:53:12 |
| sjfloat | I've observed it wiring things up when I hit a page with AV. | 17:53:36 |
| Chris McDonough | ah ok | 17:54:01 |
| sjfloat | It's just an extraneous layer that I don't need for the particular things I do. | 17:55:07 |
| sjfloat | Same for pulseaudio, but I didn't observe the performance hit. | 17:55:46 |
| sjfloat | Anyway, I need to experiment with different system configs and see what I can work out. | 17:56:10 |
