| 22 Jul 2022 |
 sjfloat | I'm seriously considering going back to pulse audio. Chrome is barely usable for me since switching to pipewire. | 16:37:38 |
| sjfloat | And there are jack tools that will never work with pipewire. | 16:38:13 |
| sjfloat | When I get a chance, I'd like to do more A/B performance testing. | 16:39:00 |
| 23 Jul 2022 |
| sjfloat | Several of the audio pages at https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Category:Audio are indicated as out of date. Would anyone be interested in helping me try amend that? | 14:11:58 |
| sjfloat | Actually, it would be good if there was a page for general audio. A lot of the confusion is around deciding what general config to chose. | 15:54:27 |
 Chris McDonough | TIL that sound.enable = true causes alsamixer persistence | 16:41:11 |
| Chris McDonough | did not know that | 16:41:14 |
| Chris McDonough | I have a hard time with wikis | 16:41:40 |
| sjfloat | So, you don't get that persistence otherwise? | 16:42:08 |
| Chris McDonough | apparently not? i guess it changes /etc/alsa.conf? | 16:42:30 |
| sjfloat | Ah | 16:42:38 |
| sjfloat | Configuring all of this in the system config often poses real problems for me. | 16:44:09 |
| sjfloat | Of course, in the case, alsa has local user config that overrides that, so maybe that's not an issue. | 16:44:48 |
| sjfloat | But I normally do a lot of on the fly changes. It's not really a system configuration that should be immutable. | 16:46:55 |
| sjfloat | I'm used to having different jack configurations for different projects or tasks, for example. | 16:47:47 |
| sjfloat | I use different external devices with different specs too, so the config can't be fixed. | 16:48:54 |
| Chris McDonough | i guess the nixy way of handling it (not saying it's.. uh... convenient) would be to write a derivation for each config | 17:23:39 |
| Chris McDonough | or figure out if there's some way to configure what you need to configure somewhere under $HOME | 17:24:25 |
| sjfloat | Well, I use nix-shell for a lot of things and I'm cool with that. | 17:25:03 |
| sjfloat | But yeah, I need to figure out how to get things out of the system config. | 17:26:28 |
| sjfloat | Actually, what I need is modal. What I did before was use Pulseadio for normal mundane things. | 17:27:15 |
| sjfloat | But then I'd suspend it to do special things. | 17:27:43 |
| sjfloat | That way, audio would work in my browser and so on. But when I was ready to do audio production or music, I'd suspend PA. | 17:28:27 |
| sjfloat | IOW, neither pulseaudio nor pipewire are anything I really need for those things. | 17:29:04 |
| sjfloat | And so far, pipewire offers no advantage to me over pulseaudio (though I know it does to others). | 17:29:40 |
| Chris McDonough | but isnt the whole point of pipewire to explicitly not need to suspend anything | 17:36:05 |
| sjfloat | That's part of it, yes. | 17:36:20 |
| sjfloat | But the two modes are really pretty divergent. I think trying to reconcile them into a single config creates unnecessary tension. | 17:37:23 |
| sjfloat | I don't need or probably even want real time config in my normal desktop. | 17:37:44 |
| sjfloat | (as an example) | 17:37:51 |
