| 5 Nov 2021 |
 jonringer | But he's also aware that he's not great at inter-personal communication. | 02:12:03 |
 Irenes | sure | 02:12:09 |
| jonringer | At least this room is public, so if he doesn't want to "audit" anything, he's free to do so. | 02:12:32 |
| Irenes | I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks | 02:12:34 |
| jonringer | * At least this room is public, so if he does want to "audit" anything, he's free to do so. | 02:12:38 |
 tomberek | It makes sense. Loudest isn't always right - actually it tends to be a bad sign. You mentioned hoping to look at what the community thinks. | 02:12:55 |
| Irenes | and I very much believe that there are ways forward that will make everyone happy, including him | 02:13:02 |
| Irenes | tomberek: again, I have never been through the RFC process and I defer to the RFC shepherds as to how that happens | 02:13:30 |
| jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks I'm not aware for many others who spoke in favor him. | 02:13:47 |
| jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks * I'm not aware for many others who spoke in favor of him. | 02:13:56 |
| Irenes | I'm referring to private communications which I've had with many of the people who were on that thread | 02:14:23 |
| jonringer | He's not perfect. But he tries his best. And I believe he has good intentions | 02:14:26 |
| Irenes | because I took the time to hear everyone's side (except his, he doesn't know me and I'm sure would be terrified if I reached out, and there's no decisions to be made about him right now, so...) | 02:14:54 |
| Irenes | (I would like to hear his side someday but this just isn't the time, it would escalate things) | 02:15:05 |
| Irenes | I believe that, too | 02:15:13 |
| Irenes | it's obvious, from looking at his efforts in PR review, that he has a huge amount of enthusiasm | 02:15:26 |
| Irenes | he's reviewed two of my PRs, in fact | 02:15:35 |
| tomberek | All of us can become shepherds, you can. And part of it would be to get an idea of what the community thinks. Let's narrow down on the "didn’t comment because there was nothing to change". | 02:15:36 |
| Irenes | tomberek: I think the information on the thread is most of what exists on that topic, so I don't know what I can answer for you, but go ahead and ask | 02:16:21 |
| Irenes | I think anyone who's as enthusiastic as sandro is is an asset to the community | 02:16:38 |
| Irenes | it's just about recognizing that this is a team effort | 02:16:44 |
| Irenes | that's all I've ever hoped for, with regard to him | 02:16:52 |
| tomberek | What possibilities did you assess? What other reasons do you think about and dismiss? | 02:16:55 |
| Irenes | and that's all I want to say about sandro, because I don't really feel comfortable saying stuff about someone who barely knows me | 02:17:13 |
| jonringer | I barely know tom, and I barely know you. I just consider myself a part of the Nix community | 02:17:47 |
| Irenes | tomberek: sorry, what possibilities for what? the views that people have on the RFC? | 02:17:51 |
| Irenes | sure | 02:18:04 |
| Irenes | well, we're getting to know each other now | 02:18:09 |
| Irenes | I wish it could be in a better context | 02:18:14 |
| jonringer | As long as I feel like we all of have Nix as the first priority. I can tolerate some behavior that I may not agree with. But having other people tell me how I should act, say, or think is not making Nix a priority. It's making their narrative a priority. | 02:19:23 |
