| 18 Nov 2025 |
 dish [Fox/It/She] | its definitely not, https://github.com/nixos/nixpkgs/issues/461884#issuecomment-3543238002 mentions cross-compiling for aarch64-linux on x86_64-linux and encountering this bug | 03:15:20 |
 Winter | i was under the assumption that that was a separate but similar bug… guess not, didn’t really read too much into it after discovering the cursedness | 03:18:10 |
|  Uraraka ~ Ochaco changed their display name from Peri to Uraraka ~ Ochaco. | 05:23:33 |
 vcunat | Python is a stdenv rebuild on darwin, so fixing that would most likely imply delaying the release, as it's about the same speed as building completely everything from scratch on all systems. | 06:36:44 |
 leona | I haven't seen that this also caused linux fallout, I read the issue only after the first comment and haven't subscribed apparently. I'm not sure what to do. Could we try to leave the python used for darwin bootstrap to the broken one and "only" rebuild anything after that? That would be 144k rebuilds, so at least somewhat better | 08:15:08 |
| leona | I don't like changing the release date once more to (then probably) December | 08:15:43 |
| leona | I'd like to know jopejoe1s opinion tho.. | 08:15:46 |
 jopejoe1 (4094@39c3) | Would prefre not rebuilding stdenv this late into the last staging-next cycle before branch off, and would want to have the rebuild count as small as possible, so going with somethig like @leona:leona.is suggested and then doing a revert and full fix on staging (with backport). | 08:34:00 |
| leona | i can try something out in around 3 hours, if someone beats me to that that's very welcome. I don't know very much about darwin stdenv at the moment | 08:36:24 |
| leona | from what I read, this should be possible, but I'm not sure how much work is needed | 08:36:47 |
| vcunat | Side not: IMO it's wrong to leave big fixes to release managers. | 08:59:13 |
| vcunat | * Side not: IMO it's (generally) wrong to leave big fixes to release managers. | 08:59:35 |
| leona | nargh | 13:05:32 |
| leona | at least currently I don't get it to work | 13:05:44 |
| leona | and my circulation is a bit off today, so I'm not at my best either. | 13:06:35 |
| leona | the idea is relatively simple, having a seperate python3Stdenv package that is used for llvm and other things in the darwin stdenv. but for now it's still at various kinds of broken | 13:07:28 |
| leona | sorry, I'm not feeling good. I don't think I can finish that or any larger decisions or things today | 14:50:47 |
 hexa | take care! | 14:52:58 |
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| 19 Nov 2025 |
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| 20 Nov 2025 |
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 raboof | we're planning a small ZHF hackday event in NL the 29th - that still makes sense even if it's a bit close to the release, right? depending on the release we'll have some time to dig into a deeper issue, or help out new contributors get their bearings | 14:22:08 |
| jopejoe1 (4094@39c3) | Yes, of course, fixing packages is even helpful when we are not in the ZHF, soo still good to send in fixes on the last day of ZHF, but remember to backport them ^^ | 14:31:24 |
| raboof | * we're planning a small ZHF hackday event in NL the 29th - that still makes sense even if it's a bit close to the release, right? depending on the turnout we'll have some time to dig into a deeper issue, or help out new contributors get their bearings | 14:36:43 |
| raboof | * we're planning a small ZHF hackday event in NL the 29th - that still makes sense even if it's a bit close to the release, right? depending on who shows up we'll have some time to dig into a deeper issue, or help out new contributors get their bearings | 14:36:54 |
| 21 Nov 2025 |
 ners | I once ran a ZHF that was after the release. We then joked that we're participating in the next ZHF very early. 🙃 | 08:11:20 |
| ners | * I once ran a ZHF that was just a few days after the release. We then joked that we're participating in the next ZHF very early. 🙃 | 08:11:35 |
| ners | Fixes are aways good to get in. | 08:11:38 |
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