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 SigmaSquadron | our resident release artist | 11:56:06 |
 Sigmanificient | In reply to @sigmasquadron:matrix.org
our resident release artist I'd love to give it a try for the forseeable future, becuase it is a really good exercise, and i already learned a ton :)
I had a background working with youtube thumbnails, then UI for some of my projects and like a few logos. This is another level! | 12:28:22 |
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| dotlambda | Where can I find the definition of "release critical packages"? | 01:43:45 |
 jopejoe1 | We currently track the definition and which ones it applies to on https://nixos.github.io/release-wiki/Release-Critical-Packages.html#list-of-release-critical-packages | 01:49:53 |
 vcunat | It would be best if the release schedule had a hyperlink to that page. | 06:32:37 |
| vcunat | * It would be best if the release schedule had a hyperlink to that definition. | 06:32:42 |
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 emily | leona: jopejoe1: are we okay giving a freeze exemption to breaking changes that only affect override interfaces of specific packages, within the next ~week?
my feeling is that it should be fine, because we generally don't give very strong stability guarantees to override interfaces in general – e.g. every time we backport a version bump that drops a no-longer-used dependency we break override interfaces on stable
context is https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/445668 and possibly https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/453948
(the former is zero rebuilds and only changes override interfaces, though there will be a follow-up clean-up on staging that will cause rebuilds and slightly change the meaning of e.g. llvmPackages.override on Darwin, but it needs a few more changes before it's ready to land so checking re: the deadline)
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 leona | Looks fine to me. Additionally, I like this effort too :) | 15:47:26 |
| jopejoe1 | I don't remember us ever having any grantu for the overriding interface and see it more of an unstable interface with a use at your risk level of support. | 15:50:42 |
| emily | I think there are some withFoo flags I would consider stable-ish API, but yeah, in general it breaks pretty often | 15:52:42 |
| emily | a more unified override interface with a clearer delineation between "monkey-patching with no stability guarantees" and "public API offered by packages to their users with the usual stability assurances" is something I would really like and have been doing design work on | 15:53:24 |
| emily | but that's definitely not for 25.11 :) | 15:53:31 |
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| 30 Oct 2025 |
 dish [Fox/It/She] | in #452544 we added an option but it was decided it would be best to do a revert before release since the maintainers have an idea for a better interface. Since this is a new option that was added and it's not in a release yet, would this be okay to revert, given that breaking changes are not allowed at this point in time? | 20:28:48 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | in #452544 there was an environmentFile option added to services.actual but it was decided it would be best to do a revert before release since the maintainers have an idea for a better interface. Since this is a new option that was added and it's not in a release yet, would this be okay to revert, given that breaking changes are not allowed at this point in time? | 20:29:10 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | I believe it would be fine since it's not in a release yet, but just wanted to get a double-check | 20:29:29 |
| leona | i'd say that you can still remove it, as it's a edge package and the option only existed for such a limited time | 20:30:18 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | gotcha, will let folks know. Thank you! | 20:30:46 |
