| 19 May 2025 |
|  ian joined the room. | 21:19:43 |
 raf | Good evening, is there anything that needs doing that I can take a look at? I've got some free time now, I'd like to make myself useful. | 23:49:42 |
| 20 May 2025 |
 vcunat | There's always ZHF if nothing else:
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/403336 | 05:37:45 |
| 21 May 2025 |
 emily | leona: is it intentional that there's no branch-off-25.05 tag? | 06:46:08 |
| vcunat | The wiki says to add it later?
https://nixos.github.io/release-wiki/Final-Release.html#on-the-release-branch | 06:51:55 |
 leona | I created a 25.05-beta tag as the release wiki told me | 06:52:12 |
| leona | Last release was different in this regard but didn’t change anything in the release wiki tmk | 06:52:32 |
| emily | huh, I see! okay, sorry :) | 06:59:26 |
| emily | it seems… weird that -beta is the tag for branch-off and branch-off- is the tag for the release? | 06:59:47 |
| emily | (but I understand the wish to avoid direct versions as tags given the pitfalls, the name just confused me) | 07:00:01 |
| emily | (not suggesting any change for this cycle, but maybe 25.05-initial or something could be good, though confusing again with -beta. it's hard to find a word for "final" that doesn't suggest finality / like it should actually be used for deployments 😆) | 07:31:01 |
|  James McCorrie joined the room. | 07:35:40 |
| leona | maybe something like 25.05-branch-off instead of beta, and 25.05-initial-release | 07:38:00 |
| leona | nevertheless i write that one down for release retro | 07:38:21 |
| emily | those sound great to me :) | 07:43:49 |
| emily | though I may slightly prefer -beta for the former: it more strongly implies that the thing isn't "fully 25.05" yet, and it keeps consistency with existing tags (as opposed to branch-off having two meanings in tags, as confusing as the 24.11 one is) | 07:44:48 |
| emily | anyway sorry for the nitpicking! | 07:45:02 |
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 Arian | The journald tests should be fixed 🌅 | 08:23:45 |
 jficz | stupid question, but why a tag instead of a branch? Is the tag moved when new patches come in? | 09:14:51 |
| emily | the tag is just for the fixed states ("when 25.05 was first branched off from master", "when we declared 25.05 fully released") | 09:15:14 |
| emily | * the tags are just for the fixed states ("when 25.05 was first branched off from master", "when we declared 25.05 fully released") | 09:15:19 |
| emily | the branch people should actually use is nixos-25.05 or nixos-25.05-small or nixpkgs-25.05-darwin (and changes get merged into release-25.05 which flows into those) | 09:15:39 |
| jficz | so how does one test the beta then? :) | 09:15:40 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | you use the channel/branch, not the tag for that | 09:15:56 |
| emily | you can run nixos-25.05 now, it's the same channel branch the final release will be on | 09:15:57 |
| jficz | right 🤦♂️ I'm overthinking too much | 09:16:17 |
| emily | don't worry, everyone is confused by the release process :P | 09:18:56 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | including the release managers ^^ | 09:22:27 |
