| 7 Oct 2025 |
 Vladimír Čunát | But I think most of the relevant people know staging-next + release scheduling and the need to get breaking changes early. | 15:13:10 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * But I think most of the relevant people know staging-next + release scheduling and the need to get breaking changes early anyway. | 15:13:14 |
 leona | For me this would be fine. As far as I understood it, most people just wanted to move breaking changes to non release critical packages further back. But I leave that also up to jopejoe1 | 15:14:10 |
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| 8 Oct 2025 |
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 jopejoe1 (4094@39c3) | No strong opinion on that, but from what i understood there where also some changes to release critical packages people wanted to get in. | 20:02:39 |
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| 9 Oct 2025 |
| Uraraka ~ Ochaco | Ahoy hoy, a bunch of packages just broke in unstable due to not having updated to cmake 3.5, is that going to be reflected in 25.11 or is it going to wait until 26.05? | 16:21:55 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Current master is 25.11. | 16:23:57 |
| Vladimír Čunát | You can see the fork-off in the schedule | 16:24:16 |
| Uraraka ~ Ochaco | ah ok | 16:24:21 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * You can see the branch-off in the schedule | 16:24:39 |
| Vladimír Čunát | in a couple weeks: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/443568 | 16:24:45 |
 kuflierl | That sounds like a significant issue, maybe keep the old version as default? | 16:25:02 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * in a several weeks: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/443568 | 16:25:12 |
| Vladimír Čunát | I'd say that ship has sailed. There was hope to reduce this a lot during ZHF. | 16:25:39 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * in several weeks: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/443568 | 16:25:53 |
| jopejoe1 (4094@39c3) | We have the ZHF phase of the release to work on fixing those | 16:25:59 |
| leona | Also, we need to update at some point and reverting this and delaying even further won’t help anyone | 16:26:08 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Well, if I knew how it will go, I would've preferred to delay it by several months. | 16:26:50 |
| Vladimír Čunát | As I don't see much benefits from having the newer cmake as default. | 16:27:03 |
| Vladimír Čunát | But at this point I'd say it's way too late to revert. | 16:27:14 |
| Vladimír Čunát | (and it doesn't seem that bad; lots of work has gone into fixes already) | 16:27:32 |
| kuflierl | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
Well, if I knew how it will go, I would've preferred to delay it by several months. Maybe not several months but just after the branch off | 16:27:33 |
| Vladimír Čunát | That wouldn't ease the amount of work for contributors which was my primary concern. | 16:28:15 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * That wouldn't ease the amount of work for contributors, which was my primary concern. | 16:28:30 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Fixes will typically be easy per package, and eligible for backporting, of course. | 16:29:41 |
| kuflierl | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
That wouldn't ease the amount of work for contributors which was my primary concern. My concern is more with the stability of the 25.11 release.
Backporting is also more work so I would say it would have been ok | 16:29:41 |
| kuflierl | Making such a major change just before release is bound to make stuff break in untested ways | 16:30:26 |
