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21 Apr 2024
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianthanks!13:25:38
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianI guess I'll ahve to update that document regarding the AWS AMIs13:25:47
@stablejoy:matrix.org@stablejoy:matrix.orgIm reading the release wiki and following here. What can a beginner do to help? Its exciting but not sure how could I help13:44:37
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusThere's two tasks a beginner can do: (a) You can look at pick up the garbage: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/projects/18?query=is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc -- only if you have expertise with the aforementioned software, otherwise you may just create needless noise for people (b) Wait for the Zero Hydra Failure process where the goal is to minimize all the failures13:49:54
@stablejoy:matrix.org@stablejoy:matrix.orgI understand, thanks13:51:01
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer

For the upcoming meeting for RMs and REs, the main points of the meeting I would like to address:

  • Defining responsibility of REs, and updating the release wiki
  • Rough roadmap for RE actions (to avoid trying to tackle everything before release)
  • Try to answer any questions.
17:15:25
@wegank:matrix.orgWeijiaLink to the meeting: https://jitsi.lassul.us/nixos-240517:57:33
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer

the .csv format used to define lua packages to be updated via
luarocks-packages-updater has changed: src (URL towards a git repository) has now become rockspec (URL towards a rockspec) to remove ambiguity regarding which rockspec to use and simplify implementation.

18:35:10
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer

Things I would like to see in the release notes:

  • Re-introduction of the "highlights section"
    • makes it easy for tech blogs and others to see major inclusions of a release
  • Ensure that the affected programs/services appear at the beginning of the the release note
    • See above, as an example of a note which can be restructured to have the affected packages ordered in a manner which is easier to parse
18:42:07
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.orgAny guidelines on how granular we want the commits and PRs to be?21:37:24
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.org Should we change package names to inline code blocks (backticks) and match the package's pkgs attribute name? For example, should things like 'YouTrack is bumped to 2023.3. become 'youtrack is bumped to 2023.3.' ? 21:42:08
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.org * Should we change package names to inline code blocks (backticks) and match the package's pkgs attribute name? For example, should things like 'YouTrack is bumped to 2023.3.' become youtrack is bumped to 2023.3.' ? 21:42:29
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.org * Should we change package names to inline code blocks (backticks) and match the package's pkgs attribute name? For example, should things like "YouTrack is bumped to 2023.3." become "youtrack is bumped to 2023.3." ? 21:42:54
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.org Concerning 'Ensure that the affected programs/services appear at the beginning of the release note" are we happy with "The mpich package expression now requires ..." or should this become something like "mpich: the package expression now requires ..." ? 21:46:26
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.org * Concerning "Ensure that the affected programs/services appear at the beginning of the release note" are we happy with "The mpich package expression now requires ..." or should this become something like "mpich: the package expression now requires ..." ? 21:50:11
@keiichi:matrix.orgteto jonringer: might I enquire why the quote of my pending PR description ? Is the descriptio not good enough :'( ? 22:27:40
22 Apr 2024
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.org teto: In yesterday's meeting the release editors were asked to ensure that the name of the affected package or service appear at the beginning of each note, for easy visual parsing/filtering of items. Yours was simply given as an example of a note where the package name first appears further in the text of the note. 07:02:39
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerYea, that was all14:39:27
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer

You PR was just the first PR with the has changelog label.

Appreciate what you do for lua and vim :)

17:30:54
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer

When referencing packages in release notes, example: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/305965/files#r1575114124. I feel like we should:

  • Keep upstream capitalization when referring to the project/brand (e.g. macOS, NixOS)
  • Use the attr/installable path with codeblock when referencing the nixpkgs path (e.g. pkgs.vim or just vim)

Not sure how people feel about my suggestion here. This fixates more on the nixos option rather than project itself.

17:37:52
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer

I guess related to what I said above, is that trying to normalize related changes become odd when switching between referencing packages by their title vs their nixpkgs attr path:

postgresqlnow defaults to ...
MySQL now defaults ....

Should we trying to keep as nixpkgs as possible, unless it detracts from comprehension?

17:43:04
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer *

I guess related to what I said above; is that trying to normalize related changes becomes odd when switching between referencing packages by their title vs their nixpkgs attr path:

postgresqlnow defaults to ...
MySQL now defaults ....

Should we trying to keep as nixpkgs as possible, unless it detracts from comprehension?

17:43:45
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer *

I guess related to what I said above; is that trying to normalize related changes becomes odd when switching between referencing packages by their title vs their nixpkgs attr path:

postgresqlnow defaults to ...
MySQL now defaults ....

Should we try to keep diction "as nixpkgs" as possible? unless it detracts from comprehension?

17:45:22
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.orgI'm tempted to go for attribute names over brands, favouring comprehension over aesthetics.20:29:11
23 Apr 2024
@jacg:matrix.org@jacg:matrix.orgSome notes give version numbers as code blocks, some as normal text. Should we make these consistent? If so, which way? I lean towards code blocks, to make them stand out.08:44:31
@theophane:hufschmitt.net@theophane:hufschmitt.net joined the room.12:14:39
@wegank:matrix.orgWeijia I'd prefer version numbers to be normal text, like 24.05 instead of 24.05. 13:48:02
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerDo you have an example?15:06:50
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Do you have an example?
nevermind, took a look at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/306235
15:22:07
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerI might side with Weijia on this one, the codeblocks are used extensively for packages and nixos options (things that are supplied by nixpkgs and NixOS). I don't think using codeblocks for versions would increase readability. 15:24:19

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