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| 23 Sep 2023 |
 @alejandrosame:matrix.org | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
Someone contacted me for Release Editor in private and I told them to post on the Discourse It was me, I already did so publicly in Discourse. | 06:01:27 |
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| 28 Sep 2023 |
 raitobezarius | https://discourse.nixos.org/t/23-11-call-for-release-manager-editor/33164/7?u=raitobezarius | 19:45:55 |
| raitobezarius | I think I would like to exploit this opportunity to try a more involved Darwin/other architecture role for this next release cycle | 19:46:19 |
| raitobezarius | I am very interested in your opinion on this whole idea | 19:46:32 |
| raitobezarius | In particular, I am interested in the opinion of the previous release managers, and especially from you hexa but I am also interested in the opinion of vcunat as you folks were very involved in the previous release cycle | 19:51:27 |
 Vladimír Čunát | Well, personally I tend not to place weight into official roles here. Almost all tasks making a release better can be done without any, and only for a small fraction some centralization is really needed. | 20:00:28 |
| Vladimír Čunát | But I certainly see nothing wrong in that proposal. | 20:01:51 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * But I certainly see nothing wrong with that proposal. | 20:02:01 |
| raitobezarius | Right, but that's because we know that folks can just decide to work on something and make it better, an interesting feedback I have been hearing more and more (including at NixCon) is that sometimes, it is hard to feel yourself empowered on to go there and do something about this. An official role is not necessarily about having any technical power, but sometimes, to have a decisionmaking power or be entrusted with decisions when it comes to a specific thing. | 20:03:00 |
| raitobezarius | During the last release cycle, we tried to push Darwin-related issues to @NixOS/darwin-maintainers if my memory serves well, and we didn't get a great success. Mainly, because I assume there's no one there in that group to care about Darwin from a release management process PoV.
I personally don't own Darwin and I prefer not dealing with it, doing decisionmaking on something you do not necessarily care about is not super easy in general so this has been a frustration for me, I think I was not alone given some revived discussions on Darwin support tiers.
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| raitobezarius | I think an important thing we can do to attract more people are also to take into account that it is important to acknowledge the role of folks who may have fewer privileges than us in the community. | 20:06:28 |
 hexa | I am clueless about how darwin users use nixpkgs. Whether or not that role makes sense should be discussed among the darwin maintainers. | 20:09:40 |
| raitobezarius | I think the discussion in https://discourse.nixos.org/t/darwin-again/29331/69 was the closest thing we had regarding more roles to deal with Darwin maintenance | 20:12:32 |
| raitobezarius | I am not sure how to read the consensus in that room, but I expressed similar arguments already and so far, I don't think anything like NixOS/darwin-core happened after all this time | 20:12:55 |
| raitobezarius | I am not sure if we can even refer to Darwin maintainers except for the most visible ones which expressed themselves in that Discourse post or through their PRs | 20:13:14 |
| Vladimír Čunát | We don't have any similar team for Linux even. | 20:13:33 |
| hexa | I would argue that is because the average linux user cares more about driving the distro, than the average darwin user cares for driving homebrew/nix | 20:17:10 |
| hexa | there is simply no need for linux-core, because we are just a lot of linux users | 20:17:25 |
|  NixOS Moderation Botchanged room power levels. | 20:18:55 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Maybe. In the survey the darwin fraction seemed surprisingly high to me, compared to what it feels like at contribution side. | 20:19:06 |
| NixOS Moderation Botchanged room power levels. | 20:20:18 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Maybe there are ways how to work better with the community, making them more engaged. I feel like a wrong person for that, though. | 20:22:45 |
 trofi | It's a bit easier to contribute from NixOS without fear of getting a bug related to host distribution. Not so much from nix-on-other-linux. I wonder if darwin is in a similar boat. | 20:25:24 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
Maybe. In the survey the darwin fraction seemed surprisingly high to me, compared to what it feels like at contribution side. But most Darwin Users typically don't contribute from my experience, would be interesting to get the fastly data and look at how many packages are pulled on Darwin compared to Linux and how that measures up compared to survey participants | 20:42:36 |
 @julienmalka:matrix.org | I think the discussion of having a darwin release manager is interesting but as much as I would like to be part of the release management team, this unfortunately couldn’t be me as I sold my last piece of darwin hardware one week ago | 20:45:00 |
