| 23 May 2023 |
 Alyssa Ross | like, why do they test different packages? | 13:56:22 |
 Vladimír Čunát | https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixpkgs/trunk/darwin-tested
vs.
https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixpkgs/trunk/unstable | 13:56:25 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Well, I don't know. I see Linux people using nixpkgs-unstable as well, especially with home-manager (it's the default I think). | 13:57:04 |
| Vladimír Čunát | I'm not aware of any reasons for the differences in release-critical packages. | 13:58:46 |
| Vladimír Čunát | I think this has been very ad-hoc so far. | 13:59:30 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Waiting for someone to really organize it. | 13:59:45 |
 Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
I feel like there should be a Darwin Release Manager Yes, and we should bully them for caring about Darwin. | 14:01:17 |
 raitobezarius | I'm not for bullying in any cases :) — but I think a Darwin RM would be much more responsible than me towards Darwin | 14:01:46 |
| raitobezarius | * I'm not for bullying in any cases :) — but I think a Darwin RM would be much more responsible than (me or hexa? :D) towards Darwin | 14:01:51 |
| raitobezarius | I mean, I assume we only really use Linux | 14:02:01 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Well, not just RM. Darwin-specific issues happen all the time. | 14:03:18 |
| raitobezarius | Well, I think it's about incremental | 14:03:44 |
| raitobezarius | RM is less engaging and is impactful for our releases | 14:04:09 |
| Vladimír Čunát | I just dropped it from darwin-tested. | 14:05:11 |
| Vladimír Čunát | But it's all weird. | 14:05:18 |
| Vladimír Čunát | Like, there are only x86 packages in there. | 14:05:27 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
I'm not for bullying in any cases :) — but I think a Darwin RM would be much more responsible than (me or hexa? :D) towards Darwin /s | 14:05:46 |
| Vladimír Čunát | So even if aarch64-darwin were completely broken, we would still get a channel bump. | 14:05:53 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Forcing exclusively Linux users to deal with messy Darwin stuff is just so incredibly frustrating. | 14:06:33 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | It'd be better to have someone that uses Darwin (thus means they care for Darwin) to deal with Darwin issues | 14:07:13 |
| Vladimír Čunát | @darwin-maintainers exist at least and can be pinged in such cases. | 14:07:47 |
| Vladimír Čunát | But I don't think it works that well in practice. | 14:07:58 |
 Weijia | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
Aaah, we can't have 23.05 darwin channel because release critical stuff (wireshark) hasn't been building since January and noone seems to mind 🤦
https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixpkgs/nixpkgs-23.05-darwin/darwin-tested
https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixpkgs/trunk/darwin-tested Qt 5 was modified to target SDK 11 earlier this year, while stdenv is at 10.12 | 14:08:02 |
| Vladimír Čunát | (at least we have ofBorg) | 14:08:04 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Darwin is a black box and hard to debug on and it gets even worse if you don't have direct access to a Darwin machine. | 14:08:17 |
| Weijia | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
Aaah, we can't have 23.05 darwin channel because release critical stuff (wireshark) hasn't been building since January and noone seems to mind 🤦
https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixpkgs/nixpkgs-23.05-darwin/darwin-tested
https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixpkgs/trunk/darwin-tested * Qt 5 was modified to target SDK 11 earlier this year, while stdenv is at 10.12 on x86_64-darwin | 14:08:48 |
| Weijia | I suspect almost all Qt 5 packages are broken there for mixing SDKs. | 14:10:16 |
| Weijia | * I suspect almost all Qt 5 packages are broken there for mixing SDKs | 14:10:24 |
| Weijia | Clearly not an issue on aarch64-darwin | 14:11:25 |
| Weijia | But Qt 6 now asks for SDK 12 :-( | 14:11:40 |
