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| 13 Sep 2024 |
 trexd | What is the best case scenario for packaging Java based programs? Gradle requires gradle2nix, maven requires maven2nix. Is there anyway to manage Java projects without fixed output derivations? Python and haskell development are pretty nice with nix since you just have to specify the packages that you want but I suppose that's because both of those languages have package sets. | 14:28:58 |
 Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | FOD seems to be the best case right now, similar to how the JS ecosystem depends on FOD | 15:06:35 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | The ecosystem is just fundamentally centered around downloading dependencies using build tools, which in the case of Java, can be non-trivial to analyze ahead of time | 15:07:17 |
| trexd | Yeah I'm just working with an incredibly complex gradle project and I'm wondering if I rewrote everything how I would make my life easier on the nix side. | 15:09:19 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Ideally someone would make a PR to gradle that makes lockfiles a thing,
But the likelihood of that is slim lol | 15:10:07 |
| trexd | the lockfiles are just so useless in our case because there are dependencies that are fetched at build time. It's honestly very difficult for me to wrap my head around. | 15:11:36 |
| trexd | sorry just ranting a bit | 15:11:55 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Nah I get it, I work on Minecraft mods and it's gradle all the way down lmao | 15:15:23 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | (Honestly one of the few things I don't build with Nix because it's really annoying) | 15:17:12 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | (For those unfamiliar, Minecraft modding has a lineage of gradle plugins for handling the process, including downloading dependencies, decompiling and deobfuscating/remapping sources, and then stitching everything back up together) | 15:18:29 |
| trexd | Just got my first job out of college and I was very excited to bring Nix into my work but I got really unlucky getting stuck on this gradle based project. I can solve many of the problems that we're having using Nix but gradle is such a blocker. Our security team wants hashes for everything and a clear lineage between dependencies and Nix would be perfect for this but because I can't use Nix, I'm writing some jank version of nix's phases in our CICD pipelines and it's sooooooo painful. | 15:21:05 |
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| trexd | tad: Any updates on gradle2nix v2? Don't mean to pressure you. Just curious. | 14:12:12 |
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| emily | hi there, I'm working on the JDK 22 EOL / JDK 23 update. I have some questions about the state of JDKs in Nixpkgs, especially after seeing Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️'s PR working on some of the cleanup | 18:13:09 |
| emily | by my count, we ship from-source builds of OpenJDK (bootstrapped through Temurin), and binary distributions of Zulu, Temurin, Semeru, and Amazon Corretto | 18:13:57 |
