| 22 Jan 2024 |
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| @fractivore:cyberia.club | Would this be the right place to provide feedback on nix-pills? It's the closest I've found so far. My complaint is that Chapter 2 could use a lot of improvement. It's missing a lot of context needed to make it understandable to the target audience, and this is a problem considering it's the first true "meaty" chapter (chapter 1 being a justification of why you should use Nix at all). | 23:17:16 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | I also don't entirely understand the history and context of the guide itself. I find it's being suggested as the de-facto standard for learning how to write derivations. Yet, it reads as though it was the work of a single author. Is nix-pills an "official" document that is community maintained? That's kind of how I've been treating it in suggesting improvements, because I've seen it presented as this de-facto standard. | 23:21:37 |
| 23 Jan 2024 |
 infinisil | symys: The nix pills live in the official GitHub organisation, so they're official: https://github.com/NixOS/nix-pills | 01:06:33 |
| infinisil | I personally don't think they're as useful as they're made out to be, and would favor deprecating them | 01:07:33 |
| infinisil | The documentation team is focusing on https://nix.dev/ as the way forward (also official) | 01:07:57 |
| infinisil | Despite that, the nix pills are still somewhat maintained, so if you make a PR, the docs team could review and merge that :) | 01:09:29 |
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| 25 Jan 2024 |
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| infinisil | I recently mentioned the thought of moving nix.dev to docs.nixos.org instead. While we can argue whether nix.dev or nixos.org should be the canonical domain, for now it's nixos.org, with only nix.dev out of line. So to achieve a single canonical domain, moving nix.dev to docs.nixos.org is much easier compared to moving nixos.org to nix.dev. | 17:40:59 |
| infinisil | Here's my comment on this: https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/issues/113#issuecomment-1906722707 | 17:41:06 |
| infinisil | And an RFC draft: https://github.com/nix-rfc-canonical-domain/rfcs | 17:41:18 |
| infinisil | Since nix.dev only really concerns the docs team, we can easily move it to docs.nix.dev without going through an RFC by just reaching consensus among the team | 17:42:26 |
| infinisil | I'll create an issue on the nix.dev repo for this | 17:43:25 |
| infinisil | danielsidhion: Unrelated to the above, relevant issue for you: https://github.com/NixOS/nix.dev/issues/423 | 17:45:41 |
| infinisil | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
I'll create an issue on the nix.dev repo for this https://github.com/NixOS/nix.dev/issues/869 | 18:13:54 |
| 26 Jan 2024 |
 @qyriad:matrix.org | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
I personally don't think they're as useful as they're made out to be, and would favor deprecating them They're missing a lot but also they're the only real place that explains callPackage which is essential to understanding Nixpkgs | 09:36:32 |
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 asymmetric | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Since nix.dev only really concerns the docs team, we can easily move it to docs.nix.dev without going through an RFC by just reaching consensus among the team i think you mean docs.nixors.org here? | 11:57:38 |
| asymmetric | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Since nix.dev only really concerns the docs team, we can easily move it to docs.nix.dev without going through an RFC by just reaching consensus among the team * i think you mean docs.nixos.org here? | 11:57:54 |
| infinisil | Ahh whoops, yes! | 11:58:09 |
| infinisil | * Since nix.dev only really concerns the docs team, we can easily move it to <del>docs.nix.dev</del> docs.nixos.org without going through an RFC by just reaching consensus among the team | 11:59:22 |
 @9999years:matrix.org | In reply to @qyriad:matrix.org
They're missing a lot but also they're the only real place that explains callPackage which is essential to understanding Nixpkgs i actually really like the nix pills. they're a gentle introduction to nix that does a good job at motivating why it's useful & bundles together writing nix expressions with nixpkgs architecture concepts | 17:53:00 |
| @qyriad:matrix.org | Yes very much agreed on that | 17:53:16 |
| @9999years:matrix.org | having helped a few people get started with nix recently, none of them have found the nix pills on their own though | 17:53:33 |
| @9999years:matrix.org | i would support rewriting the nix pills and moving them into a tutorial or getting started guide on nix.dev though | 17:53:51 |
| 27 Jan 2024 |
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