| 23 Aug 2023 |
 raitobezarius | We have folks asking for i686 every time and then | 17:52:01 |
| raitobezarius | It would be nice to have a coherent story to tell them | 17:52:06 |
| raitobezarius | "i686-linux support is currently on an best effort basis given the lack of maintenance, it may be removed in the future." | 17:52:15 |
 asymmetric | Is i686 a special case, or does the above hold for a bunch of other platforms as well? | 17:52:38 |
| raitobezarius | i686 is a special case because it's hardware that fewer and fewer people have but people with strong opinions on computers are always on the chase for i686 supporting distributions | 17:53:26 |
| raitobezarius | we are one of the few last ones who still has some way of supporting i686 | 17:53:39 |
| asymmetric | hah interesting, why is that? who/what uses that? | 17:53:56 |
| raitobezarius | Sustainable computing, 32 bits is all you need, not throwing out perfectly functional 32 bits hardware | 17:59:56 |
| raitobezarius | This type of niche community | 18:00:05 |
| raitobezarius | For me, removing i686 makes sense because the 32 bits kernel is not really maintained | 18:00:22 |
 @penguincoder:matrix.wolfie.pw | Gentoo also supports spending-all-of-your-time-on-a-computer with the i686 architecture! | 18:00:39 |
| raitobezarius | But NixOS is better on that goal because we have a binary cache for i686 | 18:01:00 |
| @penguincoder:matrix.wolfie.pw | I 💯 agree on that point | 18:01:17 |
| raitobezarius | Making it much realistic to use your 32 bits computer, sometimes, even a browser!! | 18:01:25 |
| asymmetric | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
This type of niche community OK, but then if it's so niche, does it really warrant being on this super short list? | 18:01:53 |
| raitobezarius | Either case, I find the goal cool and noble, but it's complicated to deal with | 18:02:04 |
| asymmetric | I started with a much more comprehensive PR, but gave up because of lack of time to figure out each individual platform | 18:02:23 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @asymmetric:matrix.dapp.org.uk
OK, but then if it's so niche, does it really warrant being on this super short list? Yes, it's a vocal community and I don't think we are out of space to mention it in one line and I believe i686 is considered as something we ought to support, I want to correct the expectations | 18:02:44 |
| raitobezarius | Your call in all cases I made my point :P | 18:03:29 |
| asymmetric | OK.. for my curiosity, where can i learn more about this community? Is it the people working on uxntal, collapse os, and things like that? | 18:03:39 |
| raitobezarius | I think it's much more spread than that, I am not in those circles to be honest and don't want to mischaracterize, I met some of them on Mastodon complaining about NixOS and 32 bits support | 18:04:30 |
| asymmetric | OK, I think I'm happy to add a mention to i686 also as a signifier of a broader move away from 32bits arches.. is that correct? | 18:06:00 |
| raitobezarius | Sometimes it's really just random end users with their own way of seeing things | 18:06:02 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @asymmetric:matrix.dapp.org.uk
OK, I think I'm happy to add a mention to i686 also as a signifier of a broader move away from 32bits arches.. is that correct? Strict people would say this may be invalid to talk about tier5/6/7 platforms of Nixpkgs like mips32 :p | 18:06:58 |
| raitobezarius | I'd really just say 32 bits x86 | 18:07:08 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
Sometimes it's really just random end users with their own way of seeing things Also I wonder if undeveloped countries have "average" access to 64 bits machine | 18:07:38 |
| raitobezarius | But well, we kind of already suck for those countries because of how Nix works | 18:07:56 |
 infinisil | I will skip at least tomorrows docs team meetings (but maybe also some following ones) in order to focus on implementing RFC 140. | 21:57:07 |
| 24 Aug 2023 |
 @brian:bmcgee.ie | I have to miss today's meeting aswell, gotta pay the bills | 08:07:26 |
 @mightyiam:matrix.org | Sorry for not being there this time. | 14:06:24 |
