| 17 Mar 2024 |
 @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | Perhaps there is a simpler explanation of the matter. But so far I haven't managed to formulate it so that it's easier to understand. Feel free to help me 😃 | 21:03:58 |
 fricklerhandwerk | Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki: the problem this tries to solve doesn't seem to have an English term. German: Medienbruch, French: Rupture de média - loosely translated "media discontinuity". Which is that you have information in different substrates that belongs together but there is some annoying technical barrier in between. | 21:40:14 |
| fricklerhandwerk | Source comments are just character sequences, but you're trying to point to a web document, which in turn is compiled from characters somewhere else, etc. | 21:41:14 |
 Qyriad | @Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki like how haskell's docs do it? all the types and whatnot in the source view in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.1.0/docs/src/Control.Arrow.html#Arrow are clickable and whatnot | 21:43:18 |
| 18 Mar 2024 |
|  darkwater4213 joined the room. | 00:39:43 |
 @jade_:matrix.org | In reply to @qyriad:katesiria.org
@Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki like how haskell's docs do it? all the types and whatnot in the source view in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.1.0/docs/src/Control.Arrow.html#Arrow are clickable and whatnot it's done by evil shit but we could instrument a Nix evaluator. also fyi as someone who worked on that it works even better locally on nixpkgs haskell because cross library references work in the source view :)) | 03:57:15 |
| @jade_:matrix.org | (actually i wonder if nixd already contains the necessary technology) | 04:01:47 |
 kait | In reply to @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host
If you could give a concrete example i can tell you if its a wiring issue or would need to be maintained seperately anyways in the long term. I remembered that the writers because some of them are dynamically created by partial application I am thinking of the functions in this file: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/8f0d434c23d2ae84d0bf32622358361ade96d077/pkgs/build-support/writers/scripts.nix#L402 | 07:15:42 |
| @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | I think they do. I also started a minimal project that does only the reference tracking https://github.com/hsjobeki/flutsch by value introspection | 07:30:53 |
| @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | * I think nixd does. I also started a minimal project that does only the reference tracking https://github.com/hsjobeki/flutsch by value introspection | 07:31:59 |
| @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | jade_: | 07:32:09 |
| @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | Its very POC and need more love and time until its usable | 07:32:56 |
| @jade_:matrix.org | oh nice | 07:33:03 |
| @jade_:matrix.org | still thinking it might be a bit challenging to e.g. take a huge trace of nix evaluation that annotates value type info and sources at every position. but it would be so good  | 07:35:14 |
| @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | Its basically how noogle works. (Not via traces, but value introspection) | 07:38:19 |
| @jade_:matrix.org | but having info inside of functions would sure be useful | 07:42:24 |
| @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | In reply to @rina/:matrix.org
I am thinking of the functions in this file: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/8f0d434c23d2ae84d0bf32622358361ade96d077/pkgs/build-support/writers/scripts.nix#L402 If you'd document them in the same ways as: https://github.com/nixos/nixpkgs/blob/master/lib/lists.nix#L42
We can add them to the index.
| 08:43:04 |
| @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host | In reply to @rina/:matrix.org
I am thinking of the functions in this file: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/8f0d434c23d2ae84d0bf32622358361ade96d077/pkgs/build-support/writers/scripts.nix#L402 * If you'd document them in the same ways as: https://github.com/nixos/nixpkgs/blob/master/lib/lists.nix#L42
We can add them to the index. (Wiring should be trivial, i can help with that)
| 08:43:57 |
| fricklerhandwerk | Hey docs people and Dominic Mills, how is the application to Google Season of Docs going? It we don’t get anything exciting, we can just apply for writing 2-3 key tutorials. It’s boring but we have precedence that it can work, and we can cheaply measure success by looking at the Google Search dashboard and view statistics | 20:43:06 |
| fricklerhandwerk | * Hey docs people and Dominic Mills, how is the application to Google Season of Docs going? If we don’t get anything exciting, we can just apply for writing 2-3 key tutorials. It’s boring but we have precedence that it can work, and we can cheaply measure success by looking at the Google Search dashboard and view statistics | 20:43:21 |
 Dominic Mills | I've been working it. I got some interesting ideas from danielsidhion and Shahar "Dawn" Or (mightyiam). I'll publish it publicly tomorrow or Wednesday on my Github. | 20:45:24 |
| 19 Mar 2024 |
|  NixOS Moderation Botchanged room power levels. | 00:30:57 |
 danielsidhion | Given there hasn't been a meeting on a Monday for essentially 2 months now, are you folks ok if I make a PR to say we only meet once a week on the nix.dev readme? Will also need to change the meeting invite on the calendar (I don't have access to it) | 07:18:20 |
| fricklerhandwerk | In reply to @danielsidhion:nixos.dev
Given there hasn't been a meeting on a Monday for essentially 2 months now, are you folks ok if I make a PR to say we only meet once a week on the nix.dev readme? Will also need to change the meeting invite on the calendar (I don't have access to it) I’ll be back the week after next | 08:10:51 |
| kait | In reply to @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host
If you'd document them in the same ways as: https://github.com/nixos/nixpkgs/blob/master/lib/lists.nix#L42
We can add them to the index. (Wiring should be trivial, i can help with that) thanks! I am fairly busy at the moment but I hope to get to this in the next week or so. (if this should be done sooner, no need to wait for me) | 12:26:00 |
| 21 Mar 2024 |
|  Jane Jasperous set a profile picture. | 16:34:26 |
| Jane Jasperous changed their profile picture. | 16:36:57 |
| NixOS Moderation Botchanged room power levels. | 18:03:48 |
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| fricklerhandwerk | In reply to @dmills27:matrix.org
I've been working it. I got some interesting ideas from danielsidhion and Shahar "Dawn" Or (mightyiam). I'll publish it publicly tomorrow or Wednesday on my Github. Updates? | 21:23:35 |
