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23 Sep 2024
loudgolem	I found wiki to be easier to contribute to definitely	21:21:24
fricklerhandwerk	In reply to @phanirithvij:matrix.org maybe a single gha which checks external links among all manuals + home-pages + wiki-dump could work? They all have very different update cycles, and running the checks in some other location from where the source is modified will just lead to people having to jump hoops. Had that with the Nix manual, please don't.	21:21:56
loudgolem	ok so gha per repo then, tested on corresponding stable manuals and sites and each repo can adjust the run frequency per its release cycle	21:25:43
loudgolem	this doesn't need an rfc does it?	21:28:50
loudgolem	I'm also interested in things like this https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-ecosystem-mind-map/28682/17 mindmaps, landscape, map-of-github, awesome-lists etc. are the graphviz graphs in that thread maintained anywhere? say in some unofficial toy repo? also nixos-landscape has been offline for a long time, that's a bummer Another thing I'm interested in is to visualize/map nixpkgs health, i.e. how many packages are fresh, maintainer activity, most maintainted packages, packages without maintainers, long inactive maintainers etc. all of these clearly visible somewhere like nixpkgs.health. I see rfc 180 which adresses a few of these.	21:37:17
loudgolem	* I'm also interested in things like this https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-ecosystem-mind-map/28682/17 mindmaps, landscape, map-of-github, awesome-lists etc. are the graphviz graphs in that thread maintained anywhere? say in some unofficial toy repo? also nixos-landscape has been offline for quite a while, that's a bummer Another thing I'm interested in is to visualize/map nixpkgs health, i.e. how many packages are fresh, maintainer activity, most maintainted packages, packages without maintainers, long inactive maintainers etc. all of these clearly visible somewhere like nixpkgs.health. I see rfc 180 which adresses a few of these.	21:37:33
loudgolem	* I'm also interested in things like this https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-ecosystem-mind-map/28682/17 mindmaps, landscape, map-of-github, awesome-lists etc. are the graphviz graphs in that thread maintained anywhere? say in some unofficial toy repo? also nixos-landscape has been unreachable for quite a while, that's a bummer Another thing I'm interested in is to visualize/map nixpkgs health, i.e. how many packages are fresh, maintainer activity, most maintainted packages, packages without maintainers, long inactive maintainers etc. all of these clearly visible somewhere like nixpkgs.health. I see rfc 180 which adresses a few of these.	21:38:56
loudgolem	* I'm also interested in things like this https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-ecosystem-mind-map/28682/17 mindmaps, landscape, map-of-github, awesome-lists etc. are the graphviz graphs in that thread maintained anywhere? say in some unofficial toy repo? also nixos-landscape has been inaccesible for quite a while, that's a bummer Another thing I'm interested in is to visualize/map nixpkgs health, i.e. how many packages are fresh, maintainer activity, most maintainted packages, packages without maintainers, long inactive maintainers etc. all of these clearly visible somewhere like nixpkgs.health. I see rfc 180 which adresses a few of these.	21:39:06
loudgolem	* I'm also interested in things like this https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-ecosystem-mind-map/28682/17 mindmaps, landscape, map-of-github, awesome-lists etc. are the graphviz graphs in that thread maintained anywhere? say in some unofficial personal repo? also nixos-landscape has been inaccesible for quite a while, that's a bummer Another thing I'm interested in is to visualize/map nixpkgs health, i.e. how many packages are fresh, maintainer activity, most maintainted packages, packages without maintainers, long inactive maintainers etc. all of these clearly visible somewhere like nixpkgs.health. I see rfc 180 which adresses a few of these.	21:39:29
loudgolem	* I'm also interested in things like this https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-ecosystem-mind-map/28682/17 mindmaps, landscape, map-of-github, awesome-lists etc. are the graphviz graphs in that thread maintained anywhere? say in some unofficial personal repo? also nixos-landscape has been inaccesible for quite a while, that's a bummer Another thing I'm interested in is to visualize/map nixpkgs health, i.e. how many packages are fresh, maintainer activity, most maintainted packages, packages without maintainers, long time inactive maintainers etc. all of these clearly visible somewhere like nixpkgs.health. I see rfc 180 which adresses a few of these.	21:40:04
loudgolem	repology statistics could be useful too	21:41:21
loudgolem	going to bed, I'll see about the linkchecks via `testers.lycheeLinkCheck` across all these repos tomorrow	21:42:44
24 Sep 2024
fricklerhandwerk	In reply to @phanirithvij:matrix.org I'm also interested in things like this https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-ecosystem-mind-map/28682/17 mindmaps, landscape, map-of-github, awesome-lists etc. are the graphviz graphs in that thread maintained anywhere? say in some unofficial personal repo? also nixos-landscape has been inaccesible for quite a while, that's a bummer Another thing I'm interested in is to visualize/map nixpkgs health, i.e. how many packages are fresh, maintainer activity, most maintainted packages, packages without maintainers, long time inactive maintainers etc. all of these clearly visible somewhere like nixpkgs.health. I see rfc 180 which adresses a few of these. For data wrangling, you may be interested in https://github.com/Nix-Security-WG/nix-security-tracker There's a full DB model of Nixpkgs metadata and a worker for periodic evaluations. (The end game of this would be Hydra dumping all the information directly into the database for everyone to build tools around.)	00:34:33
loudgolem	In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org ryantm: I guess especially @pennae, who has been saying a lot that nixos-render-docs can already render with multiple pages with some small changes to the code. Furthermore Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki and danielsidhion who have been investigating existing docs rendering tools to see if we could maybe not roll our own tooling at all. Your PR introduces yet another custom-built tool 😅 has anything been done for rendering docs in multiple pages since this discussion?	07:51:46
loudgolem	would be cool if the epub build were fixed too	07:52:38
loudgolem	@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host is there a noogle matrix channel?	08:00:49
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	In reply to @phanirithvij:matrix.org has anything been done for rendering docs in multiple pages since this discussion? As far as i am aware no. Pennae seems to do lix now. nixos-render-docs is now kind of unmaintained? Multipage rendering can be done, and it should be a straight forward task. Here are the steps that i have in my head rn. build a table of track references (currently anchors) split the manual during rendering into mutliple output pages (and where each reference is located) make sure the references point to the correct subpage in output write a client side redirect script for people having the old references	08:01:29
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	In reply to @phanirithvij:matrix.org @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host is there a noogle matrix channel? No. But you can ask questions here as well i guess	08:02:29
loudgolem	in the readme it is mentioned pagefind is only available in the production build	08:03:07
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	danielsidhion: Is also kind of afk since ~springtime havent heard anything from him	08:03:24
loudgolem	if I wish to self host noogle locally do I need pagefind	08:03:26
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	Pagefind is the search engine, so yes, if you want the search.	08:04:25
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	"Production build" means `npm run build`	08:04:57
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	Its a completely static page, you can selfhost it.	08:05:15
loudgolem	ok I'll try it out	08:05:48
fricklerhandwerk	In reply to @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host As far as i am aware no. Pennae seems to do lix now. nixos-render-docs is now kind of unmaintained? Multipage rendering can be done, and it should be a straight forward task. Here are the steps that i have in my head rn. build a table of track references (currently anchors) split the manual during rendering into mutliple output pages (and where each reference is located) make sure the references point to the correct subpage in output write a client side redirect script for people having the old references getpsyched is currently working exactly on this under my supervision. It will take a while to get there, the devil is in the details.	09:15:49
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	fricklerhandwerk: Another thing that i'd like to get rid of are these `include` blocks in the nixpkgs/nixos docs. Because the overall structure can only be perceived from a recursive parser but not from a human. Which makes structural maintance/changes hard to understand.	09:29:38
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host	Just asking if i this would hit some right spot.	09:30:42
getpsyched	In reply to @phanirithvij:matrix.org has anything been done for rendering docs in multiple pages since this discussion? Hi, I've been working on the render docs as part of splitting the manuals into multiple pages. Currently the work is on getting a robust redirect system set up. As @Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki outlined, I'm working on the same things and have pieced out the details in a roadmap which I'll convert into a formal documentation page after we hit the redirects milestone. Feel free to track the progress through this diff: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/compare/nixos-24.05...GetPsyched:nixpkgs:render-docs The base branch is set to 24.05 as we're aiming to backport these changes there and jump to master/24.11 and run our script again to retro-actively catch breakages.	11:42:18
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