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5 Dec 2023
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilI pinged the relevant people in the issue :)19:53:11
@fricklerhandwerk:matrix.orgfricklerhandwerk
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(It has, for me at least, been very helpful in understanding what mkShell does, so that I can write my own derivation that is less bash-focused, as Rob suggests in the SO answer I linked before: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71016402/how-to-start-a-zsh-shell-session-with-additional-non-permanent-aliases/71112117#71112117) (Side-benefit: I don't have to use direnv. I could probably submit this little project---once completed---as a guide/recipe on nix.dev...)

Extra attributes being passed as environment variables to the builder executable is a behavior of the underlying builtins.derivation: https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/language/derivations#builder-execution

And while mkShell is quite magical, it essentially is also just a wrapper around the undocumented buildEnv.

20:02:19
@fricklerhandwerk:matrix.orgfricklerhandwerkAll that surely needs more clarification, but once you get it, it’s not that complicated. I found it fruitful discussing what you understand so far in PRs making these clarifications in documentation. If you have some stamina, everyone will benefit: you’ll learn directly from maintainers how it works, maintainers will learn where the pain points are, and together we’ll make sure it’s correct and unambiguous.20:04:19
6 Dec 2023
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.orgSounds good, yeah, I'll start up that sequence of PRs soon!02:51:02
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.org In the meantime, the continuation of proofconstruction's PR from August is now ready to be reviewed! 02:51:26
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.orghttps://github.com/NixOS/nix.dev/pull/83102:51:27
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7 Dec 2023
@proofconstruction:matrix.orgproofconstructionWill take a look this afternoon, thanks!15:51:27
@ibizaman:matrix.orgibizaman
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Hi everyone. Thank you for all your efforts on the nix documentation. It is really a treasure trove of information that I use just about all the time.

I tried using `nixos-render-docs` on my project’s manual. I was lured away from nvmd thanks to this new tool able to parse markdown files instead. But then I stumbled into a few issues. One is about embedding pictures from nested directories. I’ll create an issue and test and PR soon about that one.

I did create an issue about the main blocking one for me https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/272329.

I just started looking at that tool’s code and it’s still not obvious to me how all works together to create html files. But if you deem solving this issue in the tool worth it, I’m happy to invest some time on this.  

Happy to report my issue is resolved! <3
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8 Dec 2023
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9 Dec 2023
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@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.org infinisil: it seems that getting a google API key requires entering credit card information 21:09:32
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.orghttps://nix.dev/tutorials/module-system/module-system21:09:33
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.org * infinisil: it seems that getting a google API key requires entering credit card information, which makes it not so easy to follow along with this: 21:09:49
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.org what i'll do for now to follow the tutorial is change the map/geocode scripts so that they emit dummy information to stdout, rather than make actual API calls 21:10:32
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10 Dec 2023
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil
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infinisil: it seems that getting a google API key requires entering credit card information, which makes it not so easy to follow along with this:
bzm3r: Yeah it sucks a lot. We didn't have the resources to rewrite it into something more open
00:11:39
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil
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what i'll do for now to follow the tutorial is change the map/geocode scripts so that they emit dummy information to stdout, rather than make actual API calls
Yeah that works too, ideally the tutorial would be adapted to a more open mapping api
00:12:35
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.org
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
bzm3r: Yeah it sucks a lot. We didn't have the resources to rewrite it into something more open

no worries at all, I'll submit a PR if I can something simpler.

I don't know much about open map APIs, so I want to be careful about not opening up another rabbithole...is there one that you recommend?

02:34:49
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.org
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
bzm3r: Yeah it sucks a lot. We didn't have the resources to rewrite it into something more open
*

no worries at all, I'll submit a PR if I can determine something simpler.

I don't know much about open map APIs, so I want to be careful about not opening up another rabbithole...is there one that you recommend?

02:35:01
@proofconstruction:matrix.orgproofconstructionOpenStreetMap is the gold standard here; converting that tutorial to use it would be a huge service07:15:14
@bzzm3r:matrix.org@bzzm3r:matrix.orgSounds good. I can work towards that. I ultimately ended up going through that entire tutorial without running the examples, so I think I am in an okay position to try and make that conversion11:20:28
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13 Dec 2023
@ryantm:matrix.orgryantmGitHub now supports an admonition syntax: https://github.com/openai/openai-python/blob/9e6e1a284eeb2c20c05a03831e5566a4e9eaba50/README.md?plain=1#L1705:12:44
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil ryantm: It did before, but the syntax changed now, breaking all usages of the old syntax. Apparently it was a beta feature, but people are angry about it 😅 https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/16925 05:15:58
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilIndeed I had to update the CONTRIBUTING.md with the new syntax: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/27239805:16:28
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilThey also broke them for list items..05:17:05
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil * They also broke them for list items.. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/272398/commits/e88fb997e32982a5f37b933583e618265a32d85d05:17:32
@ryantm:matrix.orgryantmAha, thanks for fixing!05:17:54

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